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If you want to move your bushes just don't destroy the existing ones until the new relocated cuttings are established, this way you won't lose any production. Then wait until late Autumn/Winter to destroy the old bushes to enact the map changes you want. There's plenty of other things to be getting on with in the meantime. Like I said it's the thin end of the wedge, implement this and then next we'll be getting requests to be able to move fully grown Fruit Trees. Just ridiculous proposals from impatient people, who probably don't play the same map for more than 12 in-game months.

Thin end of the wedge, we manage to get rid of a stupid capability only to try and re-introduce it through the back door. People will just have to learn to be more deliberate and forward thinking when planting cuttings, it's not that difficult. It's already what we have to do with Fruit Trees.

For a brief moment there was hope. Then I discovered the spoiler box...

There is plenty of pushback, it's just that most of us don't feel the need to occupy a full screen of text to express it. Also quoting a negatively themed Discord thread, where a bunch of Min-Maxers swarm in to cry about the changes is not really a representative sample of the Vintage Story 'Community'. After about 5000+ words across multiple posts on the topic of how bad the 1.22 Berry bushes are, that's the conclusion we're expected to believe?

Why did I know you were going to be the first to post in this thread! Regarding the Berry bushes they're only complex if you start to 'Farm' them, otherwise the Wild bushes will still be in place providing a regular basic food source for a new player. It'll just mean every few days you'll have to do some running around. I think the main benefit of the new system is that it prevents 'fire & forget' planting of cuttings. Which is basically what we've had until now, by being allowed to relocate entire vineyards of fully formed bushes en masse that required zero maintenance. Up-front costs would do little to change that dynamic, except perhaps delay it a while. That could change in the future, but are you suggesting more complexity? I don't see a way around this given the current storage system. Maybe if in the future the game moves toward a system of Max weight storage rather than the current Slot based storage system it would enable a greater amount of 'light weight' items like cuttings to be carried.

Fruit Tree's are an anti speed-running mechanic. Yes let's just throw the attempt to simulate Vernalization straight out the window.

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Perhaps if the ability to take new cuttings was restricted to just being from Wild bushes, it would better promote going down the fertilization route rather than just yearly re-planting of cuttings from existing planted stock.

Really liking the look of the new berry bush mechanics. Should help to stop the ridiculous early game Berry bush Apocalypse on multiplayer servers, where every bush for 1000+ blocks around spawn is ripped up and then hoarded behind protected Land Claims. Because of this tactic, it can make getting started very difficult for players who join later than the initial group. Given the extra applications of Berries (current & possible future) besides simple nutrition, it was long overdue that they should require a bit more maintenance if they're going to be grown en masse vineyard style rather than left in the wild.

Think you're playing a bit fast and loose with the word "Lightly" there m8, I just tried to connect and it said I needed to download 32 Mods!

Unless you're always online together at the same time, then people who are occasionally offline will effectively "skip" a meal requirement. But 30 day months are pretty tough even for a server, 20 day is a good compromise.

And whilst doing that you're effectively standing still for a few seconds, whilst the Bowtorns 2 other friends will bullseye you with their 100% accuracy.

I'm usually standing still when they first creep up and fire at me, that's part of the problem.

I would be surprised if most of the dedicated Hytale followers weren't already playing Vintage Story anyway. As for the ones that showed a more casual interest, perhaps not.

They certainly are way too bright at the moment and I would prefer them to go back to pre-update levels, but I'm willing to accept some increase to how they were before. On a wider note does anybody know if we're going to get another patch anytime soon, or have we now got to wait for 1.21?