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Edit the existing release and it'll let you re-select the versions your mod is compatible with

I think it would work, it worked for me with Terrain Slabs, but with more severe changes to worldgen I think there would be a visible seam between any new chunks and old chunks.

if nobody's on, shouldn't hurt a single thing to let your laptop take a break.

I think it's lore-related. Seraphs are immortal and are anchored to a specific point as part of their nature. You can alter that returning point with a temporal gear, but you are temporally anchored to your returning point and will always respawn there until you take action to alter it.

We do it all the time with products. Provenance is important. A lot of people loved Fairlife milk not for the milk, but for its provenance until it came out that they are actually beating those cows. Nothing physically changed about the milk before or after that news broke, or before or after they started beating their cows. Blood diamonds, "Made in the XYZ," "locally owned," Fairtrade-, Utz- and Rainforest Alliance-certified chocolates, responsibly sourced conflict minerals. It's a very, very common and routine thing to choose and identify products by provenance of their component parts. And AI does have its own ethical issues. You may ignore it, others choose not to, but it's not difficult to imagine at all. "WHO" is also an easy discriminator. If someone consistently releases poor quality mods, you may choose not to engage with any of them, rather than waste more time investigating. AI is that someone for many. As mentioned elsewhere in previous topics, practically, AI mods have a higher failure rate for performance, for bugs, and people may choose to avoid the whole class. It's not that human-made mods are immune to having problems. But the rates are far different with 100% human-authored code vs AI autocomplete vs vibe coded nonsense. With no disclosure, it's impossible to tell how AI was used in a mod, and it's often less of a headache to just skip the mod.

Why avoid something largely beneficial that will decrease overall bad vibes and conflict just because it won't solve every instance? This kind of behavior is likely already covered by the rules, as evidenced by how these topics always get locked.

You see echoes of that on the forums. The discussions often get heated so they're quick to act on the forums.

Isn't that at odds with the part of the flavor text that says "even when resisted?" Them being very durable is also at odds with them being relatively easy to shatter to create a returning point, unless the shattering isn't like physically based.

You can probably do it but it's likely to be more effort than it's worth. If it's a recent version, it's probably more reliable and easier to go the downgraded-flatpak route like hstone's thinking.

I don't think that's right... it's typically only pushing that's privileged. If nobody can pull, I don't think you'd be able to install the app at all. I found some hints on the internet that you just need to initialize Arch's keyring. This also doesn't entirely make sense to me, but there's multiple people saying it works so the incantation for it is: sudo pacman-key --init && sudo pacman-key --populate The other advice I see is removing and re-adding the remotes: latpak remote-delete flathub flatpak remote-delete flathub-beta flatpak remote-add flathub https://dl.flathub.org/repo/flathub.flatpakrepo flatpak remote-add flathub-beta https://flathub.org/beta-repo/flathub-beta.flatpakrepo

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I might be misreading the thread because it looks like the two of you are saying the same thing at differing levels of detail and not contradicting each other in any way so yeah both of your comments still apply. If there is a larger point/contradiction here please illuminate.

Huh, just checked and realized don't have the little pop up hints like a lot of other plants do. To get berries, right click to pick them off the bush. If you left click you'll break the bush like a regular block, destroying it and leaving only plant matter. I think you have to use a knife to take a cutting that you can use to propagate the bush.

Unless you're purposefully wanting to jump through hoops, yeah, Flatpak's that's certainly the easiest way. Performance while running in a full VM would be probably definitely awful.

If a Bell was ever to wander all the way up to the surface for some reason it'd make an excellent candidate. Or maybe just a bell head.

Maybe a luddite in the true sense, as in someone who's not a fan of owners eliminating swaths of jobs with automation and siphoning their paychecks up to themselves while burdening those left with even more work. It's the stance I'd like to take if I could afford to right now, especially since these new machines are explicitly built using people's own work, unsactioned, to replace them. Thing is, AI still isn't capable of actually replacing any human jobs. It doesn't produce correct code. AI images are unusable for print, and uninspiring and difficult to work with for digital. AI video still tumbles deep into the uncanny valley. The vast majority of real world use for both is just to generate nonsense online, whether it's for bizarre entertainment or manipulative disinformation. Data's still coming in on this, but in the workplace it doesn't seem to actually boost speed or productivity in the short term. And in the long term, it seems like "use it or lose it" is in full effect for the tasks offloaded to AI. Right now AI investment is propping up the entire economy, and the only way that makes sense is if LLMs rewrite the face of labor. But they're not doing that, they're letting people write bloated emails and fling freakish LinkedIn posts at each other faster. They are falling so short of their promises that even AI execs are talking about when the bubble pops. It's 2026 and they're still using the exact same tricks they have since GPT-2, "LATEST MODEL is so advanced and so dangerous that we can't release it openly, you'll have to just buy access from us." (EDIT: A claim that still in 2026 completely falls flat on inspection). It's a research project being sold as a guaranteed post-scarcity future that will far more likely just turn into a capitalist nightmare if it ever succeeds. So shunning the whole mess seems pretty sane to me.

You could do a different data directory for each world/modsets, is this kind of what you're thinking?

This isn't the first I've seen this claim, and I can see how it could be true of some artificially intelligent system... but I don't see any present evidence for it. Instead, my own experience hints at the opposite. LLMs are blinded by a magnetic pull into well-worn ruts in the training data. Which to me makes immediate sense based on how these models are trained and operate. Way back you mentioned its struggles with recursion, and I think that's a good indicator of what I'm talking about. Like a lot of people, I have a few troublesome tasks in my back pocket I use as benchmarks when a new model comes out. One of those is having it toy around with the Gleam programming language. It knows Gleam, it's not a tiny homebrew language. It can tell you all about Gleam, recommend popular libraries in the ecosystem, tell you about how it interacts with the BEAM. It can tell you the exact rules it will then go on to violate when it comes to generate code, even with precise rules, tools, tips, and reminders in the context window. It fails to reason about something it knows about because the probabilities point elsewhere in the distribution of training data. This goes also for projects in common languages (JavaScript) with atypical ways of doing things. One of my pet projects is a 3D engine that renders to 2D SVG. From SVG it inherits many quirks that are deeply atypical in a 3D world. AI is quite helpful as a research tool here, because the things I'm doing are not unknown mathematically, they just violate convention. But those broken conventions means that when it comes time to write, it constantly gets pulled off the rails by stronger signals in the training data.

"It's inevitable" only according to the people who desperately need that to be true to get their bonuses at the end of the next quarter. I see no reason to trust them when I look out at what AI code hath wrought. Even after all the hype about what agentic coding can do, look at Cursor's web browser and Anthropic's C compiler. These are flagship research projects completed by the people most familiar with their own tech, and they're staggeringly lackluster. Some smaller projects have better luck, like Ladybird's LibJS rewrite, but especially combined with what send to be diminishing returns, I don't think there's any guarantee or even likeliness that we're looking at the end of horses or horse drawn carriages. Especially when this new car relies on ground up horses to fuel itself.

This is a lot better phrased than what I wrote, and is largely what I was trying to say. Only thing I'd push back on is that it's always a discipline problem. Sometimes you just don't know better. Sometimes AI is being used to skip work, I saw that all the time when I was a teacher. But even as a learning tool, it's hazardous. AI sounds confident. It's easy to be taken in. Most recent job I had was at a print shop. Boss had no prior print shop experience and had taught himself a lot from AI and YouTube. But he also trusted its answers and its own confidence in its ability way too much. Some of it was small stuff, like thinking "welding" and "hemming" were the same thing. Other things were actively destructive, like thinking he can buy this roll of material for hundreds of dollars when it would actually be incompatible with our equipment because he didn't know to ask a question that he didn't know. Or getting ready to print a graphic that AI says is 300dpi at 84" across when it's actually 21dpi because he doesn't know AI can't do that. If you know how AI works, it's easy to label this is all silly user error and easily avoidable if you understand, but the average person doesn't know how LLMs operate or what they're good or bad at. People can think they're learning when they're actually just being taken for a ride with nobody at the wheel.

It's not flipping the question, it's addressing the elephant in the room. We can't just say "ignore the elephant for the moment" if you actually want to understand why people are acting weird. That is why it needs to be disclosed, that is why they are "worse." Of course, if a human and an AI write the same line of code, there is little difference (mostly, see below). If you develop a car that has a 1% chance of being assembled improperly and self-destructing after 3 months, you have a bad car. Cars with higher failure rates get the reputation even if a specific instance is fully working. If you could screen for an improperly manufactured car, maybe we can work with that. But we can't. Mods are often closed source and screening code for correctness is intensive. So instead, it's better and wiser to avoid the models of car with that flaw in their production line. We don't have an oracle that can identify "working" vs "non-working," so it's unreasonable to ignore it. The other half of it is more philosophical and social. I have two main issues with code generation AI models. 1. Code generation models are trained on vast swaths of open source (and even closed source) code that was released under certain licenses. These models can reproduce those swaths of code readily. That's not surprising, so can every other flavor of model. But by doing it here, big corporations are being given the ability to launder open source code into closed source code against the wishes of those who made it. A swarm of agents can rewrite software in a new language and a new license, allowing people to take advantage of the hard work of others without abiding by the license that they accepted that code under. I don't think this benefits anyone to gift corporations with the ability to embrace, extend, extinguish in bold new ways. 2. Use of AI is seductively self-destructive. It can be used well. It can be used as an effective learning tool. It can be a nice rubber duck to debug against. But using it without exercising your own skill or by letting it shortcut your own struggle is already showing signs of diminishing the skills backing it. If you're using it to make mods as a fresh newbie, if not used properly as a learning tool, it can sabotage your own education. I'm not saying this in a "back in my day we had to walk to school uphill both ways" kind of way. Even for using AI, a clear view and a clear mental model of the program is important, and AI itself can interfere with both of those.

Yes. As someone who has published one (1) AI-developed mod. I like to explore AI tools to keep an eye on them, but I usually come away with nearly the same understanding every time. The problem with AI mods is what you pave over in this line: The problem is that it's far more likely that an AI-authored mod doesn't work the way it should. AIs frequently hallucinate and non-determinstically just wet the bed. The one AI-developed mod I've published was a lottery win. For chunks of my daily programming work, I have to explicitly disable even AI auto-complete in my IDEs because they don't understand my style, my language, my situation, or my environment and constantly make basic mistakes. The pull of the training data is too strong in large swaths of niches out of the mainstream. Even safely inside the mainstream, we're still getting headlines with AI agents wiping production databases. Mods are low-stakes, but it still sucks to deal with poorly written software that was churned out carelessly and never reviewed by a human. There is, theoretically, a "right" way to do AI-assisted development. By gluing it to strict guardrails, giving careful, explicit instruction, and reviewing all output rather than smashing in a prompt and vibecoding it. But without any sort of disclaimer, it's impossible to know. So it's uncool to waste people's time and potentially screw them over through your own carelessness by not at least disclosing it. And without an explicit disclosure, AI thumbnails become the next best thing to hint at this possible undisclosed carelessness and the threat of wasted time. Besides all that, there's plenty to gripe about the social ramifications of AI (even just specifically in regards to programming) that aren't just "AI bad" but I'm going to cap myself at 2 paragraphs.

You got it. As long as you create a copy of the shortcut to point at your copy of the data folder, there's blessedly little footgun potential here.

I will never not say no to more Vintage Story content. Would love any videos on your first impressions on building/anything in VS. Basically the short you linked but long.