falco_lombardi Posted July 9, 2025 Report Posted July 9, 2025 7 hours ago, Tyron said: Fact checked. Said user does not belong on this forum with this kind of language. What was said? From this perspective it looks like a user was banned for their opinion of your actions? 1 2
Echo Weaver Posted July 9, 2025 Report Posted July 9, 2025 (edited) 37 minutes ago, Gabe Heasley said: What was said? From this perspective it looks like a user was banned for their opinion of your actions? I don't understand why there keeps being confusion on this. There's opinion, and there's conduct. The user in question described Tyron and people with positive opinions of him with rude profanity. That's what got them banned. Thus, "this kind of language." No, it wasn't in the quote calling Tyron. Edited July 9, 2025 by Echo Weaver
falco_lombardi Posted July 9, 2025 Report Posted July 9, 2025 16 minutes ago, Echo Weaver said: I don't understand why there keeps being confusion on this. There's opinion, and there's conduct. The user in question described Tyron and people with positive opinions of him with rude profanity. That's what got them banned. Thus, "this kind of language." No, it wasn't in the quote calling Tyron. Perhaps there is confusion because the post in question was deleted. That would probably explain my call for clarification. I don't understand your confusion.
Rudometkin Posted July 9, 2025 Author Report Posted July 9, 2025 (edited) 10 hours ago, Steel General said: I'm not enforcing Excellent. Now you revealed that we need to step back and establish whether I have even enforced principles, while you have not. Since, it would not be fair for you to act as though I am enforcing principles if I am not. I allowed you to establish without basis that I "enforced" principles. I didn't mind a relaxed definition of "enforce", until you just refused to allow yourself the same critique. Since you seem to be so lenient on what "enforcing" is when charging me with it, but critical on it when I charge you with it, I need you to show how I am enforcing, without it being the same thing you are doing. Then we can have a fair reevaluation on it from there. Following? How am I enforcing principles upon the community? Or, why did you bring it up to begin with? Earlier I had mentioned 'reinforcing principles' that you agree are good things for this community. But reinforcing is not the same as enforcing. Have you been mistakenly equivocating these? One might think so, because I used the word 'reinforce', and you used the word 'enforced' right after. What did you mean when you first brought up the word "Enforce"? But a problem I see with your position now, is this: I mentioned reinforcing truth and meaning as principles. In that context, you replied "to enforce principles is a short, puritanical path to evil". Then, you later affirmed those same things, "truth and meaning", are "certainly good" for this community. So you have implied: "To enforce things which are 'certainly good within our community' is a short, puritanical path to evil". This is a problematic statement. You might say, "I was speaking in general, not referring to the principles you were referring to". But then, if you were not referring to "truth and meaning" in your original comment about enforcing principles leading to a puritanical path to evil, then you were being irrelevant with me from the beginning. It is fair for me to assume you were being relevant in your replies. So the threads of that argument of yours are beginning to unravel, and are looking like a large mess of inconsistent and amiss propositions when added together. 10 hours ago, Steel General said: Setting aside the Paradox of Intolerance, you are not the community, I am part of the community. So that doesn't work. Behave, General Edited July 9, 2025 by Rudometkin
Rudometkin Posted July 9, 2025 Author Report Posted July 9, 2025 4 minutes ago, traugdor said: @Rudometkin Did you read my PSA? The DM?
Teh Pizza Lady Posted July 9, 2025 Report Posted July 9, 2025 2 minutes ago, Rudometkin said: The DM? No 1
Rudometkin Posted July 9, 2025 Author Report Posted July 9, 2025 15 hours ago, Gabe Heasley said: What was said? From this perspective it looks like a user was banned for their opinion of your actions? A fairly stated opinion like that one would be prefaced with "I think", or "In my opinion". To state it boldly without a preface like that is a declaration. I agree with Tyron there.
dakko Posted July 9, 2025 Report Posted July 9, 2025 27 minutes ago, Rudometkin said: A fairly stated opinion like that one would be prefaced with "I think", or "In my opinion". To state it boldly without a preface like that is a declaration. I agree with Tyron there. The key to it being unacceptable is what Echo Weaver described as, "The user in question described Tyron and people with positive opinions of him with rude profanity." Emphasis mine. A fairly stated opinion does not include slurs against other people; it especially does not break the forum rules by including profanity. Rudeness and profanity can get a person banned, depending on the circumstances or how far the commenter takes it. I didn't happen to see the comment, but I trust that @Echo Weaver has given an accurate representation. For the mods to act so swiftly, and for Tyron to explicitly state that it was the language, shows that the commenter exceeded the bounds of propriety.
Rudometkin Posted July 9, 2025 Author Report Posted July 9, 2025 (edited) 10 minutes ago, dakko said: The key to it being unacceptable is what Echo Weaver described as, "The user in question described Tyron and people with positive opinions of him with rude profanity." Emphasis mine. A fairly stated opinion does not include slurs against other people; it especially does not break the forum rules by including profanity. Rudeness and profanity can get a person banned, depending on the circumstances or how far the commenter takes it. I didn't happen to see the comment, but I trust that @Echo Weaver has given an accurate representation. For the mods to act so swiftly, and for Tyron to explicitly state that it was the language, shows that the commenter exceeded the bounds of propriety. I didn't see the comment either, but just a quote of it. Apparently it wasn't a full quote based on what echo weaver said. Quote Tyron doesn't take any feedback - he does what he wants and exclusively what he wants. I just know it to be demonstrably false and stated with more authority than mere opinion. Tyron demonstrably takes feedback and handles it well. Edited July 9, 2025 by Rudometkin Typo
dakko Posted July 9, 2025 Report Posted July 9, 2025 1 minute ago, Rudometkin said: I just know it to demonstrably false and stated with more authority than mere opinion. Tyron demonstrably takes feedback and handles it well. Yes, that is my take as well. I'm certain that the quote you saw was not a full one, as it wouldn't be appropriate to include the offensive part. I've been here since v1.5 and participated in discord for several years, before there were so many players. Tyron really strikes me as a thoughtful person and he seems to have a lot of tolerance and patience (imo, based on what I've seen). 2
falco_lombardi Posted July 10, 2025 Report Posted July 10, 2025 7 hours ago, Rudometkin said: A fairly stated opinion like that one would be prefaced with "I think", or "In my opinion". To state it boldly without a preface like that is a declaration. I agree with Tyron there. Please stop the semantics. No response necessary, thanks.
Rudometkin Posted July 10, 2025 Author Report Posted July 10, 2025 (edited) 46 minutes ago, Gabe Heasley said: Please stop the semantics. Semantics: The study or science of meaning in language. Why do you want me to stop studying language on a forum based on written language? As I mentioned in my OP: if words don't have meanings, and it doesn't matter who is right or wrong, then this forum would be an irrational cluster of meaninglessness. Please stop discouraging me to learn. Thank you, Gabe Edited July 10, 2025 by Rudometkin Reformatted
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