I find it a little odd there is no hammock option in a sail boat. A good idea to add one?

[Broccoli Clock]

I've checked the mod db and found nothing, and perhaps there is something technical about the boat that means it can't be used as a "location" to sleep, but it does seem like an omission. When you think of boats, hammocks are probably in the top 5 of things associated with sea travel. 

As I am on the subject of boats, it'd be nice to be able to stand on the deck. I get that you can climb up the rigging, which seems an odd thing as there is no crows nest, but I suppose it's nice it is there, but falling through an object that is solid enough to hold chests stacked with rocks seems out of place. Again there might be a technical reason as to why the hull of the boat is not solid.

[GLaDOS_cz]

Yeah, sleep and be able to walk on ship would be truly great.

 

Although, making walkable dynamic objects was always hard for any game, I remember how proud Black Flag developers were for their ship boardings and Minecraft also figured that out with the Happy Ghast.

Edited October 30, 2025 by GLaDOS_cz

[LadyWYT]

That is odd, now that you mention it. It could just be due to the sailboat not counting as a solid entity, but it could also be that not really inherent danger on the water, and going without sleep doesn't really have any drawbacks. I'm not sure that I would add aquatic monsters(at least not for the surface), or that I would add penalty for not sleeping, but I would probably opt for a boat hammock being the equivalent of a hay bed in order to prompt the player to sleep ashore, if possible.

[Entaris]

14 hours ago, Broccoli Clock said:

I've checked the mod db and found nothing, and perhaps there is something technical about the boat that means it can't be used as a "location" to sleep, but it does seem like an omission. When you think of boats, hammocks are probably in the top 5 of things associated with sea travel. 

Hammocks need to be attached to things on both ends: Where are you securing a hammock in the sailboat that doesn't put it at an angle? Furthermore, hammocks were a belowdecks thing, protected from the elements. The sailboats we have now are travel vessels, Viking style. 

14 hours ago, Broccoli Clock said:

As I am on the subject of boats, it'd be nice to be able to stand on the deck. I get that you can climb up the rigging, which seems an odd thing as there is no crows nest, but I suppose it's nice it is there, but falling through an object that is solid enough to hold chests stacked with rocks seems out of place. Again there might be a technical reason as to why the hull of the boat is not solid.

Unless they've introduced another set of ships since I've played last, you are talking about a COMPLETELY SEPARATE size and style of boat to the open-topped sail rig in VS right now. You're looking for something more along the lines of an Age of Discovery sloop, caravel or larger. The current sailboat has no deck, you would be standing on the keel. (Though yes I'd like to be able to stand in it)

No crows nest because, again, too small of a boat and not the right period of vessel. The mast is merely the width of a man, where on this tapered structure are they going to fit a crows nest in any meaningful manner? Much less any discussion about the amplified motion one would experience on that long of a lever with that tiny of a vessel. 

 

[Broccoli Clock]

4 hours ago, Entaris said:

Hammocks need to be attached to things on both ends: Where are you securing a hammock in the sailboat that doesn't put it at an angle? Furthermore, hammocks were a belowdecks thing, protected from the elements. The sailboats we have now are travel vessels, Viking style.

Where and how? Easy. The same position a seat take up. They lie horizontally across the boat, and each end of the boat seat is a vertical slab. 

Care to point to the lore where the sailboats are exclusively "travel vessels"? That take is just your opinion nothing more. Also are you somehow claiming that Vikings never slept on the boat? They had routes that stretched 100s and even 1000s of miles, what did they do, drink a lot of coffee to stay awake.

 

4 hours ago, Entaris said:

Unless they've introduced another set of ships since I've played last, you are talking about a COMPLETELY SEPARATE size and style of boat to the open-topped sail rig in VS right now. You're looking for something more along the lines of an Age of Discovery sloop, caravel or larger. The current sailboat has no deck, you would be standing on the keel. (Though yes I'd like to be able to stand in it)

You have just created an entire scenario in your head, attributed it to me, then used BLOCK CAPITALS to complain about your scenario that you had invented.

 

4 hours ago, Entaris said:

No crows nest because, again, too small of a boat and not the right period of vessel. The mast is merely the width of a man, where on this tapered structure are they going to fit a crows nest in any meaningful manner? Much less any discussion about the amplified motion one would experience on that long of a lever with that tiny of a vessel. 

It's almost like you didn't read my initial post. The point was we *can* climb the rigging, but for what purpose? The movement is limited when up there (unless you go 3rd person camera) and all you can do is "hang on". It makes sense there is "something there" for you to climb to, that's all.

[Broccoli Clock]

17 hours ago, GLaDOS_cz said:

Yeah, sleep and be able to walk on ship would be truly great.

Although, making walkable dynamic objects was always hard for any game, I remember how proud Black Flag developers were for their ship boardings and Minecraft also figured that out with the Happy Ghast.

 

17 hours ago, LadyWYT said:

That is odd, now that you mention it. It could just be due to the sailboat not counting as a solid entity, but it could also be that not really inherent danger on the water, and going without sleep doesn't really have any drawbacks. I'm not sure that I would add aquatic monsters(at least not for the surface), or that I would add penalty for not sleeping, but I would probably opt for a boat hammock being the equivalent of a hay bed in order to prompt the player to sleep ashore, if possible.

I think you both rightly bring up the idea that it isn't a solid item because it can't be due to the way it's implemented (or that implementation is awkward and not overly easy) you can't stand on rafts either.

As for the type of bed, just a straw equiv, as mentioned above, the alternative is to find a bit of land, place down a bed, sleep, then return to your journey. That's if you want to sleep, and there are reasons to do so even though there is no requirement too. I wouldn't imagine there would need to be any extra threat to you sleeping on the water. At present the only risk you have is if you are in a temporal storm and you stop moving. Although that does open up an interesting question of whether you should be allowed to sleep while the boat is moving. IRL you would, of course, but in game there might be a need to have the boat stationary to allow sleeping (just because of the way a "sleep" cycle is calculated).

[Entaris]

6 hours ago, Broccoli Clock said:

Where and how? Easy. The same position a seat take up. They lie horizontally across the boat, and each end of the boat seat is a vertical slab. 

so you'd basically be laying on the floor of the boat, which negates the entire usefulness of a hammock. May as well just let us sleep on the benches at that point. Which would be neat. 

6 hours ago, Broccoli Clock said:

Care to point to the lore where the sailboats are exclusively "travel vessels"? That take is just your opinion nothing more. Also are you somehow claiming that Vikings never slept on the boat? They had routes that stretched 100s and even 1000s of miles, what did they do, drink a lot of coffee to stay awake.

Probably somewhere around them not having crew quarters, weaponry and dedicated cargo space would inform us that this is a travel vessel rather than another type of vessel.

 

And yes, obviously, Vikings slept on their boats. On the benches. Without hammocks. 

6 hours ago, Broccoli Clock said:

You have just created an entire scenario in your head, attributed it to me, then used BLOCK CAPITALS to complain about your scenario that you had invented.

There is no scenario there. Age of Discovery vessels had decks and hammocks and crows nests and all the things you're looking for, ergo, you are looking for something more akin to an Age of Discovery vessel. Much like if I were to go into a restaurant and order spaghetti, but ask for a layer of cheese and larger noodles. I may be asking for spaghetti, but I'd be looking for something more akin to lasagna. 

Block caps is because I keep forgetting this forum has full formatting, hahaha. 

6 hours ago, Broccoli Clock said:

It's almost like you didn't read my initial post. The point was we *can* climb the rigging, but for what purpose? The movement is limited when up there (unless you go 3rd person camera) and all you can do is "hang on". It makes sense there is "something there" for you to climb to, that's all.

Well, no. Ratlines are for maintaining and operating the sails. They're not meant to go anywhere. 

[LadyWYT]

12 hours ago, Broccoli Clock said:

Although that does open up an interesting question of whether you should be allowed to sleep while the boat is moving. IRL you would, of course, but in game there might be a need to have the boat stationary to allow sleeping (just because of the way a "sleep" cycle is calculated).

For simplicity's sake, I would say no, that way the game doesn't need to calculate the boat's position while the player sleeps. As for how to handle the boat's bed mechanics, I would figure that a bed would take up the same space as an elk, so...two slots, to my knowledge. The sailboat must be anchored before the player can sleep, and if the player sleeps they will wake back up sitting at the rudder or the spot next to it(in the event that there are two players sleeping in the boat). With that kind of setup, I'd figure that two players maximum can sleep in a sailboat at one time.

[Broccoli Clock]

12 hours ago, LadyWYT said:

The sailboat must be anchored before the player can sleep...

..that would require the anchors to be properly implemented first, they are in the game but do not function, but as a way to avoid the game needing to track the sailboat as you sleep I think it's a good solution. 

17 hours ago, Entaris said:

... stuff ...

Sorry for just summarising your comments as "stuff" but I want to first apologise as I think I was a little rude when pushing back against your comment. From the outside it just seems like you don't like the idea, which is totally cool, but the reasons you gave seemed almost contrived.

It's a bit of the same with your further reply. Listen, if you think that having hammocks goes against whatever you assume is the lore or the gameplay that's fine, if you just don't like the idea, cool, but I am sorry I don't agree with your countering points, as again I feel they are contrived to reach a conclusion.

As it is, it just might be not technically possible for people to sleep on boats, maybe that is why it hasn't been implemented already, after all if you are going down a tick list then hammocks are likely to appear, but the devs have chosen to implement the ability to bring your elk along (something far more niche, I would wager) so perhaps we are discussing something that is just not on the roadmap. We could all be "arguing" over nothing.

I will admit I have a certain bias here, I am currently playing a water world where I can be a day at sea without seeing any coast, doing that in the daylight benefits me, and with it being in the middle of the sea then I can't stop to sleep in order to progress through the night quickly. Do I think it's a good idea? Sure, of course, otherwise I wouldn't have created a thread about it, but is it going to be extra useful in my current playthrough, yes it would.

[MKMoose]

1 hour ago, Broccoli Clock said:

Listen, if you think that having hammocks goes against whatever you assume is the lore or the gameplay that's fine, if you just don't like the idea, cool, but I am sorry I don't agree with your countering points, as again I feel they are contrived to reach a conclusion.

The TLDR of the argument as I understand it is simply that historically hammocks were practically never used on ships of this size and kind. They were primarily seen on larger vessels designed for much longer travel times, with large crews, high cargo capacity, and sufficient space below deck to actually fit those hammocks somewhere without them getting in the way. The same point goes for a crow's nest - the boat is just too small for it.

Vikings have used their relatively small vessels (compared to 15th to 17th century transport and military ships) to move horses and other animals, so having a spot for an elk is even quite realistic, wheras sleeping would more likely just be done on the benches.

There's also the potential problem that sleeping on the boat while no one is keeping watch is just asking for problems, but I think we can mostly ignore that for the sake of gameplay.

Either way, yeah, it would be great to have a way to sleep on the boat. I don't think there's any big argument against it. But specifically a hammock doesn't really fit this specific boat.