radfast Posted March 2 Report Posted March 2 I don't think this is likely to happen. Discord is one of the most commonly used communications platforms for gaming. Discord suits most VS players just fine. It's by no means essential to participate in Discord though. For anyone who does not want to or cannot use Discord for their own specific reasons: all major news announcements are on https://www.vintagestory.at/blog.html/ self-evidently, people can post questions and comments about the game on this forum and participate in the community that way there's also a fairly active subReddit and I guess other ways to participate, like comments on YouTube or Twitch streams The fact that Vintage Story has a Discord server is no endorsement of anything else that goes on on other parts of Discord or Discord's own policies. Every large online communications system has issues of some kind, every means of communication will be exposed to people who want to troll, make political comments, etc, and all online activities on any platform (except maybe something highly secure like Signal) are potentially viewable by governments if they want to put resources into that. All the large platforms are trending towards age verification which obviously requires some kind of personal data - it's because of well-intentioned laws in several countries intended to protect children online. From what I've read, Discord is also now planning an opt-out for age verification which will still grant access to a large part of the service. For the avoidance of doubt, I'm sure the VS team has no intention of doing anything to break the Discord TOS. 1
DoctorSnakes Posted March 2 Report Posted March 2 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Teh Pizza Lady said: I can get behind this, though I doubt many would want to sign up for another account on another service, but they may be less resistant to such an idea as I am. 11 minutes ago, radfast said: I don't think this is likely to happen. Yes, it is unlikely for people to move to new platforms. It does happen rarely. But I don't think that this is a good argument against it, it's an argument to advocate for it more than anything. If the only thing dictating whether it is right to use a platform is its popularity, then Vintage Story would be on Steam right now. It isn't, because of various reasons. Similarly, there are various reasons (discussed in this thread) to not be on Discord, and to be on other social media platforms instead. I think those reasons should be evaluated more than anything relating to popularity or exposure if one cares about more than publicity. Edited March 2 by DoctorSnakes
Parabola Posted March 2 Report Posted March 2 (edited) @radfast Thank you for your input. I agree with the majority of your points and with the reality that it is unlikely to be implemented, much to my disappointment. Regarding: 11 minutes ago, radfast said: all major news announcements are on [the blog] A key reason I personally want an alternative is because TOPS announcements are not made on the blog / forum (please correct me if I'm wrong!). I only become aware of important updates such as rule changes / future plans through random chance in chat, because it would be bothersome to ask "has there been any updates" in the chat every time. Perhaps TOPS announcements are not "major" but at the very least their absence affects me. [Edit]: perhaps this should be made into a separate suggestion? Edited March 2 by Parabola
Teh Pizza Lady Posted March 2 Report Posted March 2 4 minutes ago, Parabola said: @radfast Thank you for your input. I agree with the majority of your points and with the reality that it is unlikely to be implemented, much to my disappointment. Regarding: The main reason I personally want an alternative is because TOPS announcements are not made on the blog / forum (please correct me if I'm wrong!). I only become aware of important updates such as rule changes / future plans through random chance in chat, because it would be bothersome to ask "has there been any updates" in the chat every time. Perhaps TOPS announcements are not "major" but at the very least their absence affects me. I feel like this is probably the point where you could instead advocate that those announcements be moved to a more visible location, such as these forums, which simply require a game account to access and interact with. 1
radfast Posted March 2 Report Posted March 2 The TOPS announcements could very easily be copied to a thread here. Any community member who is on Discord could do that, it does not have to be a core VS team member. 2
Parabola Posted March 2 Report Posted March 2 As to not derail this thread, I have made a separate one: TOPS Announcements on the Forum
LadyWYT Posted March 2 Report Posted March 2 29 minutes ago, radfast said: The TOPS announcements could very easily be copied to a thread here. Any community member who is on Discord could do that, it does not have to be a core VS team member. What about a pinned thread in the Multiplayer section? That way it's easy to find for reading and posting. 1
Parabola Posted March 2 Report Posted March 2 28 minutes ago, DoctorSnakes said: there are various reasons (discussed in this thread) to not be on Discord I firmly agree, however VS's chat server not being on Discord =/= Discord-Matrix bridging. Perhaps in the future if Discord shows instability Matrix could be considered as a replacement for Discord. Regarding bridging, @Teh Pizza Lady's reminder regarding the TOS led me to re-frame my thinking on this suggestion. I was residually aware that Matrix bridges were against Discord TOS due to consent cascading (which was slightly misconstrued, but still got the point across previously in this thread), but re-contextualizing this to VS and Matrix bridging: Anego cannot risk being found in violation of Discord TOS (as unlikely as that may be due to Discord's lax enforcement of this policy) and losing their largest (probably?) platform. Alternatively it could be suggested that Anego provide a Matrix server as a separate, unbridged platform. Though the benefit provided by this versus simply utilizing the forum seems to be negligible...
Teh Pizza Lady Posted March 2 Report Posted March 2 8 minutes ago, Parabola said: I firmly agree, however VS's chat server not being on Discord =/= Discord-Matrix bridging. Perhaps in the future if Discord shows instability Matrix could be considered as a replacement for Discord. Regarding bridging, @Teh Pizza Lady's reminder regarding the TOS led me to re-frame my thinking on this suggestion. I was residually aware that Matrix bridges were against Discord TOS due to consent cascading (which was slightly misconstrued, but still got the point across previously in this thread), but re-contextualizing this to VS and Matrix bridging: Anego cannot risk being found in violation of Discord TOS (as unlikely as that may be due to Discord's lax enforcement of this policy) and losing their largest (probably?) platform. Alternatively it could be suggested that Anego provide a Matrix server as a separate, unbridged platform. Though the benefit provided by this versus simply utilizing the forum seems to be negligible... this is basically everything I had bouncing around in my head when I first saw this thread. Loud alarm bells started going off in my head so I had to make sure I understood all the implications of the suggestion. Seems we've found a more feasible solution that serves the needs of everyone involved!
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