DeanF Posted August 5 Report Posted August 5 From perusing the wiki, it doesn't appear that we can make pies with eggs- eggs are not listed as a valid protein for meat pies or pot pies, frex- though I admit that I haven't had an opportunity to try. If not, we should. A quiche might be at least 2 slots of eggs, plus 1 slot of vegetable or eggs, and 1 slot of vegetables or cheese or eggs. This would expand the utility of eggs greatly. 5
SnapJelly Posted August 5 Report Posted August 5 A quiche would be fun but... 13 minutes ago, DeanF said: 2 slots of eggs, plus 1 slot of vegetable or eggs, and 1 slot of vegetables or cheese or eggs. that's not how pies are made in game
DeanF Posted August 5 Author Report Posted August 5 (edited) 26 minutes ago, SnapJelly said: A quiche would be fun but... that's not how pies are made in game Yes it is. Other than the dough, a pie is four slots with each slot holding two items. So... 2 eggs. 2 eggs. 2 vegetables or 2 more eggs. 2 cheese, or 2 vegetables, or 2 more eggs. Was that unclear in my OP? It's like a pot pie that uses eggs as the protein source instead of meat, except that you can also add cheese. But my culinary fu is weak- can you call it a quiche if it only has eggs? Or does it need some other ingredient as well? Should the cheese be mandatory, for example? (And while we are on the subject, I sort of feel like a meat pie should allow one slot of fruit.) EDIT- So Wikipedia says that a quiche is a custard, so it must have both eggs and milk. And they can have meat, though beyond eggs and milk everything is optional Well, I guess that would be another use for milk, other than cheese-making, right? So I guess that instead it should look like this?: 2 eggs 2 eggs 0.4L milk 2 of almost anything- vegetables, cheese, meat, poultry, seafood, fruit, or more eggs. I feel like you should be able to mix cheese with something else, but there aren't enough ingredient slots. Does anyone think that some other schema would be better? I can't really conceive of making a pie-sized quiche with only 2 eggs. Edited August 5 by DeanF 1
Rainbow Fresh Posted August 6 Report Posted August 6 6 hours ago, DeanF said: Yes it is. Other than the dough, a pie is four slots with each slot holding two items. So... 2 eggs. 2 eggs. 2 vegetables or 2 more eggs. 2 cheese, or 2 vegetables, or 2 more eggs. Was that unclear in my OP? It's like a pot pie that uses eggs as the protein source instead of meat, except that you can also add cheese. It is kinda not. Pies have fixed ingredients but not fixed slots. So you'd only be able to say "It's a quiche if it has eggs and potentially vegetables and/or cheese". Not that it needs to specifically has something in a particular order. Following that you could also go 2 vegetables and 2 vegetables and 2 vegetables and 2 eggs to make a quiche pie, because the last 2 eggs are what distinguishes it from the end result becoming a vegetable pie. If you want fixed order/ratios of things, only cooking recipes support that. So you'd need to take a double-layered approach of cooking the quiche base or something and then making a pie with 4x2 quiche base.
TheRealMork Posted August 7 Report Posted August 7 Just chiming in to say that, yes, it would be cool. And if you are interested there's a mod for this, from Spoonail (who also made a mod for jam sandwiches, btw): https://mods.vintagestory.at/eggpiemod
DeanF Posted August 7 Author Report Posted August 7 (edited) On 8/5/2026 at 11:45 PM, Rainbow Fresh said: It is kinda not. Pies have fixed ingredients but not fixed slots. So you'd only be able to say "It's a quiche if it has eggs and potentially vegetables and/or cheese". Not that it needs to specifically has something in a particular order. Following that you could also go 2 vegetables and 2 vegetables and 2 vegetables and 2 eggs to make a quiche pie, because the last 2 eggs are what distinguishes it from the end result becoming a vegetable pie. If you want fixed order/ratios of things, only cooking recipes support that. So you'd need to take a double-layered approach of cooking the quiche base or something and then making a pie with 4x2 quiche base. That entire description "kinda" agrees with me, so I'm not sure what you are trying to dispute. You add ingredients four times, and each time uses two of a given ingredient. If you are getting hung up on semantics like the word "slot", or that I dared to number them to make my point, well, that's your neurosis not mine. I had to describe what I mean somehow. Either we are agreeing, someone is being annoyingly persnickety, one of us is having a parsing issue, or something is simply not communicating well in text. Any of which is quite unsurprising on an interwebs forum. Edited August 7 by DeanF
Rainbow Fresh Posted August 7 Report Posted August 7 (edited) 56 minutes ago, DeanF said: That entire description "kinda" agrees with me, so I'm not sure what you are trying to dispute. You add ingredients four times, and each time uses two of a given ingredient. If you are getting hung up on semantics like the word "slot", or that I dared to number them to make my point, well, that's your neurosis not mine. I had to describe what I mean somehow. Either we are agreeing, someone is being annoyingly persnickety, one of us is having a parsing issue, or something is simply not communicating well in text. Any of which is quite unsurprising on an interwebs forum. You have given a clear example. 2 eggs. 2 eggs. 2 vegetables or 2 more eggs. 2 cheese, or 2 vegetables, or 2 more eggs. That means for the game, a quiche pie is made with either cheese, or vegetable, or eggs in any slot. That means, theoretically, 8x eggs is a quiche (which is fine and as you intended). That also means, 8x vegetable is a quiche, which clashes with the existing 8x veggies "Vegetable Pie". Same for 8x cheese which would be a valid quiche recipe then and clashing with the existing 8x cheese "Cheese Pie" (according to the wiki that's a thing?). Only solution would be to make it require all ingredient categories to be present, like the pot pie does with meat and veggies. Meaning to make a quiche you would need eggs, cheese and veggies guaranteed. With maybe a same-name-but-different-id recipe for a just eggs quiche. Mixing and matching specific things only in specific quantities (like 4-8 eggs and 0-2 cheese and 0-4 vegetables) or assigning specific slots (1x2 eggs + 1x2 eggs + 1x2 eggs OR vegetables + 1x2 eggs OR vegetables OR cheese) is a feature only of cooking pot recipes. Hence my solution suggestion of making a cooking pot recipe to prepare the quiche base from your very specific ingredients, then using 8x quiche base to bake the actual pie with. Edited August 7 by Rainbow Fresh
DeanF Posted August 7 Author Report Posted August 7 (edited) 3 hours ago, Rainbow Fresh said: 2 eggs. 2 eggs. 2 vegetables or 2 more eggs. 2 cheese, or 2 vegetables, or 2 more eggs. That means for the game, a quiche pie is made with either cheese, or vegetable, or eggs in any slot. That also means, 8x vegetable is a quiche, which clashes with the existing 8x veggies "Vegetable Pie". Same for 8x cheese which would be a valid quiche recipe then and clashing with the existing 8x cheese "Cheese Pie" (according to the wiki that's a thing?). I have no idea where you are getting this from. Where did you parse eggs, cheese, or veggie in any slot??? I had thought that my example was clear- a quiche would need at a minimum 4 eggs. As you quoted, slot #1 and #2 both say "2 eggs" FULL STOP, nothing else. Where is the veggie in that? Only slots #3 and #4 can have something other than eggs. So how on Earth did you think that I meant that 8 veggies was a quiche? My mind is boggled, frankly. This has to be some sort of interwebs miscommunication. Also, just FYI, I later changed the recipe once I found out that quiche is a custard and thus requires milk. (It would be nice to have another use for milk...) Edited August 8 by DeanF
Rainbow Fresh Posted August 8 Report Posted August 8 (edited) 10 hours ago, DeanF said: I have no idea where you are getting this from. Where did you parse eggs, cheese, or veggie in any slot??? I had thought that my example was clear- a quiche would need at a minimum 4 eggs. As you quoted, slot #1 and #2 both say "2 eggs" FULL STOP, nothing else. Where is the veggie in that? Only slots #3 and #4 can have something other than eggs. So how on Earth did you think that I meant that 8 veggies was a quiche? My mind is boggled, frankly. This has to be some sort of interwebs miscommunication. Also, just FYI, I later changed the recipe once I found out that quiche is a custard and thus requires milk. (It would be nice to have another use for milk...) As from your initial opening post: On 8/6/2026 at 12:46 AM, DeanF said: it doesn't appear that we can make pies with eggs You want there to be a pie recipe with eggs. The Quiche. The thing where you slap 2x dough on a table, slither 4x2 something else on it, top it off with 2x dough and put it in the oven. You have also just confirmed, again, that you are thinking of having "minimum 4 eggs" as the recipe. That is not how pie recipes work in the game. That is how cooking pot recipes work. A pie can take any valid ingredient and the name of the resulting pie is solely on a compared list of all ingredients used. You put in 4x vegetables, it is called a vegetable pie. You put in 3x vegetables and one times meat, it is a pot pie. There is no "atleast 2x vegetables and 2x meat" for a pot pie. Neither can there be "atleast 4 eggs" for a quiche. Either egg has to be the only ingredient, or every ingredient necessary (egg, milk and almost anything) NEEDs to be present in whatever quantity is allowed to reach the requirement of WHICH ingredients are in. So with your original recipe of eggs, eggs, maybe eggs or vegetables and maybe eggs, vegetables or cheese - the only actually implementable recipe of that would be that a "Quiche" pie requires either ANY of eggs, vegetables OR cheese to be present (clashing with 4x cheese for cheese pie and 4x veggie for the vegetable pie) or ALL of those in any quantity, be it 1x eggs, 2x cheese and 1x veg or 2x veg and 1x cheese and 1x egg, both if which go against your "minimum 4 eggs". The only system supporting individual measurements is the cooking pot recipes where you can say "Yes we need a slot of and another slot of egg and then we need milk and then we can take this list of possible fourth ingredient." In order to still make a pie out of it in the way you described, you'd need a new item "Quiche base" or whatever that is made in the cooking pot so you can control the ratio of ingredients, and then use this intermediary item as only ingredient allowed for the quiche pie. EDIT: Also just to clarify, I do agree that having egg-based pies is a good idea. Iirc there is a mod that does it already. Just saying that your specific recipe is not gonna work the way you want it to. Edited August 8 by Rainbow Fresh
DeanF Posted August 8 Author Report Posted August 8 13 hours ago, Rainbow Fresh said: A pie can take any valid ingredient and the name of the resulting pie is solely on a compared list of all ingredients used. You put in 4x vegetables, it is called a vegetable pie. You put in 3x vegetables and one times meat, it is a pot pie. There is no "atleast 2x vegetables and 2x meat" for a pot pie. Neither can there be "atleast 4 eggs" for a quiche. Either egg has to be the only ingredient, or every ingredient necessary (egg, milk and almost anything) NEEDs to be present in whatever quantity is allowed to reach the requirement of WHICH ingredients are in. So with your original recipe of eggs, eggs, maybe eggs or vegetables and maybe eggs, vegetables or cheese - the only actually implementable recipe of that would be that a "Quiche" pie requires either ANY of eggs, vegetables OR cheese to be present (clashing with 4x cheese for cheese pie and 4x veggie for the vegetable pie) or ALL of those in any quantity, be it 1x eggs, 2x cheese and 1x veg or 2x veg and 1x cheese and 1x egg, both if which go against your "minimum 4 eggs". The only system supporting individual measurements is the cooking pot recipes where you can say "Yes we need a slot of and another slot of egg and then we need milk and then we can take this list of possible fourth ingredient." In order to still make a pie out of it in the way you described, you'd need a new item "Quiche base" or whatever that is made in the cooking pot so you can control the ratio of ingredients, and then use this intermediary item as only ingredient allowed for the quiche pie. EDIT: Also just to clarify, I do agree that having egg-based pies is a good idea. Iirc there is a mod that does it already. Just saying that your specific recipe is not gonna work the way you want it to. Yes. If you put in eggs, it's a quiche. That's my point. You claimed that from what I described you could put eight veggies in a pie call it a quiche. And that was false, since my entire premise was that to be called a quiche a pie needed eggs. I still have no idea where you came up with that. But I think that I have finally figured out what you are hung up about. Yes, among other issues, you're getting hung up on semantics. A pie does use ingredient slots. They just aren't displayed the way that a pot recipe is, and you can't really take an ingredient back once you put it in. To make a pie you must make a crust and then add four ingredients of 2 each, and the game will only let you add another ingredient that is valid. Well, that is four slots. 4x2. What you seem to be twisted about is that you seem to think that pie recipes are fundamentally different in some way, but they really aren't, which is shown by how pot pies work. Most pies are absolute, with only one category of ingredient in all four slots: all veggies = vegetable pie, all meat = meat pie, all cheese = cheese pie, all fruit = fruit pie. But pot pies are a bit different, in that any combination of meat and vegetables makes a pot pie. So, here is the thing that's going to blow your mind: There is no reason that a quiche cannot require four eggs minimum. So we are saying the same thing, here, except that for some reason you seem to think that it would be impossible to code a 4 egg minimum requirement. What happens if you make a pie and put in 2 meat, 2 more meat, 2 veggies, and then try to put in 2 fruit? The game won't let you put the fruit in, right? Well, the same thing could be so for quiche. For instance if you try to make a recipe with 2 eggs, 0.4L milk, 2 veggie, and then try to add 2 cheese it won't be a valid recipe. The system wouldn't let you add the cheese, because the only valid remaining ingredient is eggs. That being said, I don't know if a quiche actually needs to require 4 eggs. That's why I asked if others thought it should be different. Maybe they only should require 2, if only because it would be nice to have multiple ingredients. Consider Quiche Lorraine- it has both bacon and cheese, and if a VS quiche required 4 eggs and milk then having both meat and cheese in a quiche wouldn't be possible. So maybe it could just be what you said- any pie with 2 eggs and 0.2L milk plus any other ingredients would be a quiche. I had only proposed four eggs because to me most quiche seem to be mostly egg. But if I'm wrong on that, then I'm wrong. That's why I asked. But even in that case, the game would have to be more discerning than it is for a pot pie. It has to check for the presence of eggs and milk plus two of anything else. For instance, what should happen if you put in 2 eggs, 2 meat, 2 fruit, and then try to put in 2 cheese? Well, the game shouldn't let you- the only valid ingredient that you could put in would be milk. But we could make it even easier- leave out the milk, and say that a quiche is any pie that has eggs plus any three other ingredients. Maybe it's just easiest to say that the "any other ingredient" could be milk? And while we are on the subject, meat pies should allow one slot of fruit. Including things like dates, raisins, currants, or apples in meat pies seems to be common IRL, such as in the original Medieval version of mince pie (modern mince pie is all fruit). Or do we need a separate "mince pie" for any combination of meat and fruit? That would be seven different kinds of pie!
Rainbow Fresh Posted August 9 Report Posted August 9 (edited) I understand that any further discussion about the intrisic details of the game's inner workings is pointless at this point. The concept of a quiche has been simplified enough and the actual implementation details should a quiche become a thing left open for discussion. However I am going to be petty about it and so I did snoop through the source code, which you yourself can also do for confirmation at https://github.com/anegostudios/vssurvivalmod/blob/master/BlockEntity/BEPie.cs while also looking at the base game assets for, in my test scope, readmeat, vegetables and cheese to have the behavior of the vanille potpie mixed ingredients and a not potpie-able but generally pie-able third ingredient. The pie does track slots, and is as such vaguely akin to the cooking pot, yes. With the main difference being that you do not see those slots, you cannot take out from slots and you only ever insert in a first-come-first-served manner. The important detail as is what I was trying to convey is that there is no logic for a recipe. In fact, it goes even further than I assumed - pie recipes aren't real. Every ingredient defined with pie properties allows the combination of a 4x2 pie of that type. Meaning defining eggs as pie ingredient, I think, automatically makes an "egg pie" a reality, consisting of 4x2 eggs. Pie combinations are just a "steps of insertion" comparison with the pie ingredients defining which category/name? of combination pie they make. As the only example in the game, readmeat and certain vegetables define that they are combinable in the "potpie" category. Meaning that is it possible to make a new combination category "quiche" which could be set on the same chosen vegetables, meat and eggs to allow combining these into a pie. That would also result in you adding vegetables and meat to make a pot pie, then still allowed to add eggs as third or fourth ingredient changing it to a quiche. Though I do currently not remember if the name of the resulting pie is set at adding the top crust or not and it is too late in the day for me to go in-game and confirm. Either way there is no further logic for limiting combination options. The logic is, in fact, so simple that any combination pie can only ever *require* two different food categories of ingredients. Ingredients within the same category (all same-class vegetables, all meats, all cheeses - luckily neither eggs nor milk would have competition here) always mix without changing the outcome. Starting upon adding a second category that is allowed for mixing and shares a possible combination outcome with all other ingredients (your "the game doesn't let you add fruit to a pot pie") the first fitting combination is taken. Ignoring the, again I *think*, automatic all-egg pie that comes with making eggs pie-able, if you stick with eggs, vegetables and cheese from your first recipe (not sure if liquids like milk would even work) there is no overlap here. As meat is not allowed, no confusion with the pot pie. If you were to say eggs, vegetables and meat, the eggs are the required ingredient to change it away from a potpie. So yes, limiting combinations is generally possible. But also, as I was trying to convey from the get-go, *no*, you cannot limit ratios. The resulting pie is solely the work of combining enough ingredients to rule out all other combinations. If a quiche *supports* eggs, vegetable and cheese, because of the currently very limited scope of pie options, *vegetables and cheese alone would make a valid quiche*. The current pie system does not support any more complex than that and is probably the reason we only have one "mixed" pie yet that only contains 2 ingredients, because at 3 the system falls apart. EDIT: So tl;dr. Implementing a quiche that is more than just an "egg pie" is rather difficult with the current implementation of pies and if there is some feature we should really be suggesting, it is a better pie system. EDIT 2: Having gotten curious I just looked at the existing Quiche mod. It is indeed a just an all-eggs pie. The mod also claims you can put eggs into meat pies now without me seeing any patch for that at which point I realized - eggs are in the protein group. Meaning, as per explained above rules of ingredient insertion yes, eggs - as soon as marked pieable - will be a substitute for meat in meat pies and there is no way to circumvent this without making eggs nutrition category-less. Edited August 9 by Rainbow Fresh
WillyWonka1 Posted August 10 Report Posted August 10 Quiches would be nice, hopefully we can see those in the game. But also CAKE! Eggs could also be very useful if cake was added to the game and we could bake some delicious sweet treats We already have eggs, flour, milk, and honey is an easy substitute for sugar, so cake (and quiches) seem like necessary additions to our diets.
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