momoberry Posted August 25 Report Posted August 25 Just had an entire orchard die off from winter, which is pretty brutal, even if it is our bad for not reading that they need to be above 10c, but even with a greenhouse they wouldn't have been saved, sadly.. But at the same time, we don't get cold enough for apples, pears, cherries, etc to vernalize, so they ALSO won't produce fruit, since we cap out at around 4-5c at night. We're far too established to move, so should I just give up on fruit trees?
momoberry Posted August 25 Author Report Posted August 25 They also all survived the last winter, so we never realized. We ARE playing on a modded multiplayer server.
LadyWYT Posted August 25 Report Posted August 25 45 minutes ago, momoberry said: we cap out at around 4-5c at night. Welcome to the forums! If the coldest it gets is 4-5 C at night, perhaps try putting them in a greenhouse? That being said, it does look like cherry, peach, and maybe yellow apple trees should be able to vernalize at that temperature. Oranges and olives should be able to survive as long as they're in a greenhouse. Incidentally, 4-5 C shouldn't be killing any trees aside from the tropical ones, which you haven't specified what was growing in the orchard. The only other noteworthy thing here is that fruit trees also seem to have some variance in what the individual tree itself can tolerate, so some trees could be hardier than others. https://wiki.vintagestory.at/Fruit_tree 51 minutes ago, momoberry said: We ARE playing on a modded multiplayer server. Do you have any mods that affect crops or temperatures or anything? If the trees actually survived the entire previous winter, they shouldn't be dying off the very next year. Knowing exactly when you planted the cuttings would also be useful. 1 hour ago, momoberry said: We're far too established to move, so should I just give up on fruit trees? I don't know that you need to give up on fruit trees, but it does look like you're going to be very limited on what you can plant. The only other potential workaround I can think of is to possibly try planting your orchards at higher altitudes, where the temperature will be cooler, or digging out a "tree pit" since temperatures get warmer at lower altitudes. 1
momoberry Posted August 25 Author Report Posted August 25 (edited) 54 minutes ago, LadyWYT said: Do you have any mods that affect crops or temperatures or anything? If the trees actually survived the entire previous winter, they shouldn't be dying off the very next year. Knowing exactly when you planted the cuttings would also be useful. Some are modded. It's Mango, Lychee, Coconut, Breadfruit, Pomegranate, Olives and Oranges. Oranges and Olives stand out at 6c and 7c respectively, compared to mango/coconut/breadfruit/pomegranate/lychee all being 10c. As for going up and down, we'd have to terraform because we live on a chain of small islands, so it's probably going to be a large project. As for modded temperatures, I don't.... THINK so? It seems like we're going to have to limit it to oranges and olives, and even then in greenhouses. Edited August 25 by momoberry
LadyWYT Posted August 25 Report Posted August 25 11 hours ago, momoberry said: It seems like we're going to have to limit it to oranges and olives, and even then in greenhouses. As I said, if the wiki numbers are correct, peaches, cherries, and maybe yellow apples should be able to vernalize if the temperature drops to 4-5 C. 11 hours ago, momoberry said: Some are modded. It's Mango, Lychee, Coconut, Breadfruit, Pomegranate, Olives and Oranges. Oranges and Olives stand out at 6c and 7c respectively, compared to mango/coconut/breadfruit/pomegranate/lychee all being 10c. With mods, it's a lot dicier. I'm assuming Wildcraft? In any case, it's possible the mod could have adjusted numbers, or otherwise tweaked mechanics. In the case that it didn't change the vanilla workings though, most of those are pure tropical trees, so yeah...they're going to be incredibly tough to keep alive.
Slam Posted August 25 Report Posted August 25 I’m not smart at all, and what I’m saying could be pointless, but can you, like use the green to protect the tree while it’s young, then remove afterwords so it can vernile?
LadyWYT Posted August 25 Report Posted August 25 7 minutes ago, Slam said: can you, like use the green to protect the tree while it’s young, then remove afterwords so it can vernile? The only reason you need a greenhouse for fruit trees is if the winter weather drops too low for them to survive, in which case you don't want to be removing it at all since doing so will kill the tree in the winter time if the greenhouse isn't put back. Vernalization also occurs at a decently higher temperature than the killing temperature, so the only reason to put a tree with a vernal requirement in a greenhouse is if the climate gets a little too chilly for it to survive.
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