Visible material durability/hardness + Tool-Values per material before crafting

[AlphaRay]

It would by nice to see the values of materials like stones/metals to know before crafting what i doing here.. (ok - i can see it one step before it's done)
I still don't know which stone is harder and what the durability/strength of the tool will be.  Almost every item has a burning temperature/-time - but these more important values can't be seen...

Here is for example an wonderful table for the axe - with all values i can't see before crafting it.  A visible durability or "hardness" value in tooltip for every material would be very nice.
https://wiki.vintagestory.at/index.php?title=Axe

 

And for the "intermediate products" something like this:

[junawood]

1 hour ago, AlphaRay said:

I still don't know which stone is harder and what the durability/strength of the tool will be.  Almost every item has a burning temperature/-time - but these more important values can't be seen...

It's all in the handbook. You can open it with H.

[AlphaRay]

6 hours ago, junawood said:

It's all in the handbook. You can open it with H.

I know - but thats not i want to    Title:  "....Tool-Values per material before crafting"...  in Tooltip and not by searching these values.
For the burning temperatures you have only to look in tooltip. For all materials. Why not for other too?  Why so inconsistent and not like in every other game all over the time?    

In the handbook i can't compare between two specific materials!   I want to build xxx and have material a and b - now i have to search in the handbook for both materials and then for the tool i want craft.  So i have remember all parameters of a weapon from the first, search the second and compare..  Why not in tooltip like i showed - move mouse over material a and then b - yes, it will be with material a!  Done in 2 seconds.

[junawood]

4 hours ago, AlphaRay said:

In the handbook i can't compare between two specific materials!   I want to build xxx and have material a and b - now i have to search in the handbook for both materials and then for the tool i want craft.  So i have remember all parameters of a weapon from the first, search the second and compare..  Why not in tooltip like i showed - move mouse over material a and then b - yes, it will be with material a!  Done in 2 seconds.

It's way easier and faster with the handbook. Because you don't even need to have the material, neither in front of you, nor at all. Just search for "knife" in the handbook, see all the possible materials/versions and compare them (even iron, meteoric iron and steel versions). Or search for a material like "flint" and see everything you can use it for and get all the other info about it.

4 hours ago, AlphaRay said:

For the burning temperatures you have only to look in tooltip. For all materials. Why not for other too?  Why so inconsistent and not like in every other game all over the time? 

If you look at a log, you get the burning temperature for a log. Not for firewood, charcoal, pans or whatever. If you look at a stone, you get the info for a stone. Not for all the things you could turn it into. If you look at a knife blade, you get the info for a knife blade (none, because just the blade itself is useless in the game). If you look at a knife, you get the info for a knife.

 

Edited February 10, 2021 by junawood

[AlphaRay]

I will look on the stone / metal BEFORE i get it up and without searching in manual    "What is besser for xy...obsidian...or this one..." ....
In no game - i playing games for over 30 years - i had to check the manual to know what to do with this oder this.
Some items has values in tooltip. Some less some more. But there are some without not values at all.

Compared to burning:   you put "something" in the oven and wait for temperatur raising to check the maximum temperature of what you put in oven.  No - the value stand on the item before you put in in the oven. Wow...! 
 

"If you look at a stone, you get the infos for a stone"  -  the only info you get ist the name.   Not strength and so on.  The oly source for this is the wiki.  Not the handbook.
Fromt wiki i know that firestone is harder then other. And obisdian little more.  But nowhere in the game.
Look at food - here you can see all you need. But a stone - is a stone. Obsidian hasnt the same values as other stones or the flint.  This can be only read outside the game.

Sure you can post the knife-values for the blade - because it's only only this one possibility for this. It's not for burning, eating... it can only be used to make one specific knife.
If i have a blade made of flint and one from obsidian i have actually to produce both to see which is better. Thats the wrong way.

Blade/knive was only an example. There are many crafting stuff without knowig before what i'm doing here.

 

"If you look at a log, you get the burning temperature for a log. Not for firewood, charcoal, pans or whatever."  -  i don't know what game you are playing.
I have the burning temperature and time on ALL burnable stuff:

 

 

Edited February 10, 2021 by AlphaRay

[junawood]

16 minutes ago, AlphaRay said:

I will look on the stone / metal BEFORE i get it up

And if you click Shift + H while you do that, you get directly to the info in the handbook.

19 minutes ago, AlphaRay said:

"If you look at a stone, you get the infos for a stone"  -  the only info you get ist the name.

If you look at a stone on the ground, you get the info for what you can do with a stone on the ground: "Knap" and "Pick up". If you look at a stone in your inventory, you get the name and the info "Rocky goodness. Can be thrown or knapped into stone tools and weapons. 1 blunt damage when thrown" (maybe not in all languages, because this is early access and not everything is translated yet, and you could argue that the info that it can also be used for things like cobblestone is missing, but that would be a bit much and is in the handbook). If you look at a knife blade in your inventory, you get the name and the only other info that could be added here would be that you can turn it into a knife with a stick, because you can't do anything else with just a blade in this game.

You posted a picture of a knife blade with the info of a knife, which would be your "Why so inconsistent", because every other thing has the info for the thing itself and not the info for whatever it is when you turn it into something else. That's why I explained above that you get the burn temperature of the log when you look at the log info. You don't get the burn temperature of firewood or charcoal or wooden pans when you look at a log. You get the info of the thing you're looking at and not the info of the things you can turn it into.

59 minutes ago, AlphaRay said:

Fromt wiki i know that firestone is harder then other. And obisdian little more.  But nowhere in the game.

58 minutes ago, AlphaRay said:

Obsidian hasnt the same values as other stones or the flint.  This can be only read outside the game.

Handbook -> "knife"

-> Granite knife -> Durability 90/90, Tool tier 0, Mining speed -, Attack power -0,8 hp, Attack tier 0 and some more info

-> Flint knife -> Durability 130/130, Tool tier 0, Mining speed Plant 1,2x, Attack power -1 hp, Attack tier 0 and some more info

-> Obsidian knife -> Durability 160/160, Tool tier 0, Mining speed Plant 1,2x, Attack power -1,5 hp, Attack tier 0 and some more info

1 hour ago, AlphaRay said:

If i have a blade made of flint and one from obsidian i have actually to produce both to see which is better. Thats the wrong way.

Yep, it is the wrong way, because you waste time and stones to first collect and then knap them into whatever to compare them, instead of simply comparing them in the handbook.