Bowtorns and drifter stones should be able to 'break' basic windows.

[Broccoli Clock]

As the title suggests.

The argument is weakest from the stone throw, as it is just that - pretty weak, although if it didn't break the glass it would be nice for it to make a solid "stone against glass" sound. The bowtorn arrows though, they can hit hard, and have a very solid "thunk" when they land against your base. It totally makes sense that if they hit glass, it'd break. In fact it's almost comical that you can stand behind glass and get peppered by high speed javelins and still be safe!

Edit: Sorry I should have made this clear, I was originally intending for the glass to fall out of it's location, rather than be destroyed and you have to craft a new one to replace it.

How do you stop them from breaking your windows? Why... make proper windows, with lead. There is now a reason to upgrade the window other than cosmetics, or you could create shutters using gates on the outside. I do think shutters are very conspicuous by their absence, this is a deeply cottage core game after all, where are my couthie wooden shutters?

Anyway, the question is probably.. "Why?" I feel there should be more of a threat from mobs around your base, and that includes during storms. If I had my way enough stones or bowtorn arrows against things like doors would be enough to break them, but I doubt many others would vibe with that idea, but broken windows seems a nice trade off. I retains a level of fear without directly affecting the access of the mobs although will open up windows for bowtorns to target you, and you'd also likely loose the room bonus too (depending on your base layout). 

Most players, not all, but certainly from my experience of watching streamers probably the majority of players end up with a base that looks a little "castle like" and we've all seen the mega builds where the castle intent was far more explicit, and trust me I don't want to turn the game into a tower defence game (although, an interesting mod/overhaul suggestion considering the game's framework) but equally it would be nice for there to be an undercurrent of fear/worry/concern even if it's not present. Think of the jump scare nature of you just happily making some food, the evening has drawn in, the pot is bubbling away, perhaps the rain is gently pitter-patting outside, then *crash* a bowtorn arrow gets launched into your kitchen.

Edited Saturday at 10:31 AM by Broccoli Clock

[Silfrenbirce]

25 minutes ago, Broccoli Clock said:

Most players, not all, but certainly from my experience of watching streamers probably the majority of players end up with a base that looks a little "castle like"

I would in fact bet a lot of money that it's the opposite.  What you see streamers do almost certainly does not reflect what the majority of players are doing.  I sincerely doubt that anything approaching a majority of players are building castles, let alone mega builds.  I'm not sure what your point is with this, though, unless to suggest that even people who build up those elaborate bases should still have to worry about bowtorn getting at them.

On the one hand I can appreciate the merit of applying some pressure to players to ensure that their housing is adequate protection against the wild things that creep at night or during temporal storms.  That said, I also think there's a risk of making the game too frustrating and tedious.  Bowtorn are already quite dangerous as it is.

[Broccoli Clock]

Just now, Silfrenbirce said:

I would in fact bet a lot of money that it's the opposite.  What you see streamers do almost certainly does not reflect what the majority of players are doing.  I sincerely doubt that anything approaching a majority of players are building castles, let alone mega builds.  I'm not sure what your point is with this, though, unless to suggest that even people who build up those elaborate bases should still have to worry about bowtorn getting at them.

You've taken the conjecture as my main point here. I mention castle builds because the vast majority of players do end up with something like that. When I say castle builds I mean something that would be considered a simple motte and bailey setup, not necessarily a massive structure with D&D style battlements. Essentially any building/base that has some way to stop mobs from entering it would be considered a castle build, although it's etymologically lazy on my behalf.

My actual main point is that mobs throw things and that glass is breakable, you'll probably find you break your own windows by accident loads of times, so it makes sense for that to be reflected (no pun intended!) with projectiles.

4 minutes ago, Silfrenbirce said:

On the one hand I can appreciate the merit of applying some pressure to players to ensure that their housing is adequate protection against the wild things that creep at night or during temporal storms.  That said, I also think there's a risk of making the game too frustrating and tedious.  Bowtorn are already quite dangerous as it is.

I think this is a far more valid dividing line than the castle/not castle thing. It would become frustrating and annoying, the level of that annoyance would be that the glass is permanently broken and you have to replace, rather than just pick it up and return it to its initial location. I wasn't clear which of those I meant, so my bad for that, it is the latter though, that they knock the glass out rather than destroy it.

Bowtorns are a pain in the ass already, but I appreciate this decision wouldn't bring them any more love, that's fair..

[Urmanin]

This is one of the worst suggestions I have ever seen. Genuinely what is wrong with you

[Broccoli Clock]

1 hour ago, Urmanin said:

This is one of the worst suggestions I have ever seen. Genuinely what is wrong with you

I'll take that as a badge of honour, rather than an insult!  

 

 

 

[Shoom]

How would the bowtorns tell your main house apart from say, your greenhouse though? Having to rebuild that every morning would be quite painful. 

[Broccoli Clock]

22 minutes ago, Shoom said:

How would the bowtorns tell your main house apart from say, your greenhouse though? Having to rebuild that every morning would be quite painful. 

The bowtorns aim at where you are. I'm not suggesting they can see through walls or anything daft, you need to tease them like you do now in order to get them to throw.

As for making sure they don't break your greenhouse as opposed your house, the simple answer is to not go in your greenhouse when being shot at by a bowtorn.

[Shoom]

2 minutes ago, Broccoli Clock said:

The bowtorns aim at where you are. I'm not suggesting they can see through walls or anything daft, you need to tease them like you do now in order to get them to throw.

As for making sure they don't break your greenhouse as opposed your house, the simple answer is to not go in your greenhouse when being shot at by a bowtorn.

Yeah my bad, I just assumed they would deliberately target glass blocks as they currently don't try to fire at you through windows from my knowledge.

[LadyWYT]

It's not a setting I would play with myself, but...I like it. Definitely not something that should be on by default except for Wilderness Survival, maybe, but as an optional difficulty? Sure, why not. It gives an option for players to allow mobs to be more destructive, in a way that's reasonable, without needing to mess with the block placement/chisel system.

4 hours ago, Broccoli Clock said:

Edit: Sorry I should have made this clear, I was originally intending for the glass to fall out of it's location, rather than be destroyed and you have to craft a new one to replace it.

Also helps that I'm reading all that with this note in place.  One possible way to cheese this is by just making sure all the glass is chiseled, however, that could potentially be accounted for by making all glass-type chiseled blocks act as glass and fall out of place, perhaps. Blocks that qualify as stone or wood could remain as-is, which still allows players the option of chiseling fancy windows if they so choose.

[Silfrenbirce]

8 hours ago, Broccoli Clock said:

You've taken the conjecture as my main point here. I mention castle builds because the vast majority of players do end up with something like that. When I say castle builds I mean something that would be considered a simple motte and bailey setup, not necessarily a massive structure with D&D style battlements. Essentially any building/base that has some way to stop mobs from entering it would be considered a castle build, although it's etymologically lazy on my behalf.

My actual main point is that mobs throw things and that glass is breakable, you'll probably find you break your own windows by accident loads of times, so it makes sense for that to be reflected (no pun intended!) with projectiles.

I think this is a far more valid dividing line than the castle/not castle thing. It would become frustrating and annoying, the level of that annoyance would be that the glass is permanently broken and you have to replace, rather than just pick it up and return it to its initial location. I wasn't clear which of those I meant, so my bad for that, it is the latter though, that they knock the glass out rather than destroy it.

Bowtorns are a pain in the ass already, but I appreciate this decision wouldn't bring them any more love, that's fair..

I didn't take the conjecture of castle building as your main point. I was thinking about it in terms of what the majority of players actually do and what they would have tolerance for.  I maintain that it is far more likely than not that most players do NOT build castle like structures - i.e. that most players don't go around treating the game like a building sim to the extent that most players' worlds are extensively built up quite so much as you often see on streaming channels. I'm not sure why you're backtracking now to argue that you didn't mean your words as written, but again, I was focused on the question of how most people are actually playing the game.  I maintain that what you see streamers do is not a reflection of typical players.

My point being that I don't think the average player puts in anywhere near that level of investment into building and probably wouldn't have much tolerance for bowtorns being able to break glass windows.  The people who have built up elaborate structures have long since made it past the point where drifters of any sort are a threat - with lighting and gating and high end materials.  I'm not sure that this kind of suggestion would mean much to them in the first place. But players who keep their bases fairly simple, or who take a good long time to build up to that level?  I can't see this being a popular change.  Perhaps, as suggested above, a survival toggle, but beyond that, no.
Not least because you might as well start asking why drifters can't break the simplest builds of any material.  I'm of the opinion that there is already enough pressure on players to work toward building a refuge - against aggressive animals as well as drifters and bowtorns, mind.  I see no reason to put them into a position of needing to rush past early game survival when there are already significant pressures on hand.

Edited Saturday at 06:41 PM by Silfrenbirce