CastIronFabric
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exactly. in fact your first sentence basically sums up what I have struggled to say for weeks now. spot on
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Here is what Tyron said I do not have any reason to believe at this time that the 'mode' would not be any different from the game modes existing now as far as it relates to how to instantiate it.
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actually I have been using Steam for more than 10 years now and I had no idea that you could add a non-steam game to your library. I would argue that 1. a person would have to know its possible. 2. would then have to learn how to do it. or...not bother and play any other of the 150,000+ games on steam
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perhaps. Is there any talk of that? I would agree that is different from what I am talking about and what I am assuming is the plan. I assume the plan is you start up Vintage Story main menu (just like now). Then you start a new game and pick the new 'mode' We might have to go back to the original announcement to formulate a better assumption
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I am struggling to understand what you wrote here but I think you are saying the same thing I am saying.
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I think there is a opportunity cost here. They can work on either A. Steam power B. combat overhaul. Yes they can do both but it would take longer for both if done in parallel and it would delay one or the other if done in series. I want steam power
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no...but with only a few exceptions I play games with combat off. I clocked in all my combat time for at least a decade more than 20 years ago.
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I was unaware thanks for illustrating how common this approach is. I personally do not own any game that does this but I see now its common place, thanks all. Just to clarify though, I am talking about games in which you double click the icon for one game(using common explanation of how it works), to get into the other game. I do not know if those you have listed are that way or not but that is what I am refering to. so for example, double click on Space Engineers to get into Medieval Engineers.
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I have heard of 'no Steam no buy' and I normally am exactly that person. Steam has a lifetime of great games, so in the interest of not having 10 different places to get my games I prefer to keep them in one portal. I do not think that is outlandish, I am glad I made an exception for VS but it did take me a year
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I am not going to address everything you have said only because I have to do some other things and its not out of disrespect for the time you put into the reply I will keep this short and perhaps in summary If one wants to play Counter Strike, they do not double click on the Half Life 2 game to do that. That is the point I am making. Ironically this game specifically had the same path as Counter Strike, however, the Half Life team did not set out to intentionally create another game that will be instantiated by clicking on Half Life as an end goal. Now is VS plans to make this a mode until its a game and then spin it off? I do not know but I think you can see the difference
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My opinion is to play single player and play in Explorer mode without mods until about mid game. Then after that experience start adding mods, or playing in Standard mode etc.
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sorry I cant weigh in on that example intelligently because everyone I look on the internet it says minetest is a game engine, not a game. Even their own page says that as a title. I am not saying you are wrong, I am just saying I can not address that example intelligently. having said that I think what we are talking about here is fundamentally different. I think there is a difference between the question of 'should we have Medieval engineers be an option within Space Engineers' and that of a game engine designed specifically to be modded into different game experiences. I guess Roblox is another example. I am not sure VS is really that but maybe it could become something like that.
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if you want to say the internet is wrong that is fine. but I think we both know what I am actually referring to when I say a separate game experience within an already established game
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this is circular. in one case its 'nobody knows what the decision is' then its 'this is the decision they have made' then back again. or I am reading this completely wrong.
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I looked it up and I think you are incorrect. minestest is a gaming engine. Not a standalone full game that also has another stand alone full game experience attached to it. lets all try to be in good faith here, please.
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ok I do not want to beat a dead horse here but here is what @Echo Weaver said originally: I do not read that as someone who is saying 'we do not know what the decisions are' but rahter 'here is the decision as discussed and that is that' did I read it wrong? I'm sorry, but you don't have to agree it's a good idea. What you think just don't matter. The only people qualified to make this decision are making it. This ceaseless armchair quaterbacking is pointless. The only way anyone's opinion matters is if they start their own company and do it their way.
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So I know of some mods of games that turned into separate games (such as this one). But I am unaware of any project in which an 'entirely different game experience' was incorporated into the existing game as a mode. I know SE has 'scenarios' and 7 days to die has a dedicated story map but I am not aware of any game by name that does what we are talking about here which is to create an entirely different game experience. I would like to know some names of some games that I can refer to in order to have a better understanding but again, not a mod of a game that was eventually turned into a game later nor a senecio, but a game mode that was from the start explicitly designed to be 'completely different experience' maybe the Roblox platform is a good example? I do not know Roblox very well so I can not say for sure.
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I want to point this out for observation sake, please do not consider this an attack just an observation. I considered not saying anything but it just feels wrong. You previously just told me (paraphrased) 'this is how the developers are going to do it and that is that' now you are saying we do not know what the developers are going to do for sure.
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Let me put it this way. I do not know of any game that does a 'mode' that is an entirely different experience. The closest thing I can think of is 7 days to die with a story mode which is a handcrafted map instead of random. I do not know if this game is going to be a story mode or not but I do not know of ANY developer that creates effectively what is an entirely different game experience and world by installing it into the existing fork of the game Zero.. Now...consider this. The new 'mode' as a mod means when you play that mode you will have to turn off all your other mods or you will have to create a new data folder with a link that points to just this instance of the game experience. All game files share the same mods. I do not think that is a seamless experience for the players also, I think you understand that if you have one full complete game code all the way up to the UI and you have to write conditionals for every single thing you display, every single game loop reactions that its going to be a mess really quick. Not to mention are we going to just skip over the entire mechanics of forging if the new game mode does not have it? How about cooking? temperature control etc etc etc. Unless the game is going to have pretty much nearly all the same game mechanics then we would have to write code to skip code that should not even be in the project to begin with. Then you would have a code base that effectively has EVERYTHING both game modes has and then you would have conditionals on pretty much every single method in the game. I suppose you could create all the methods for one game mode and leave all the methods alone for the existing VS experience. Yes you could do that, however at that point the question becomes...why? why would one not fork instead of creating a full set of methods for one mode vs the other mode. I have seen this done, I have rearchitected in some cases because (for example) we really did not need one PROC that tried to do everything, not only was it a coding mess, it performed bad.
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near perfect response about someone who is being hyperbolic. thank you
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so we should just lock this thread because nobodies opinion on this matters.
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I do not know if its standard or not, but in this context it makes the most sense to me. I am sorry 'because the devs want to do it' is not a good enough reason for me to say 'oh well then I agree its a good idea' I will say this though, I have worked on a project that tried to do two logically different things as one package as a developer and it did not work. I ended up making two separate programs and that worked out a lot better for me. I do not think that is exclusively true in all cases however.
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Well then I disagree with their vision on that. I know that might seem sacrilege to many but just because its their vision does not mean its a good idea. Anyway, from a development standpoint if one wants to create a stand alone experience that is significantly different from the main branch then keeping the two separate will allow for a lot more flexibility for both and the consumer will not end up making long threads discussing why, how, what, who
