1.22.0-rc.1 - Fishing, Mechanisms, Metalworking and More!

[Tom Cantine]

25 minutes ago, Yukia said:

1.berry bushes are often entry-level food, mostly used in early game, later with farming and husbandry, their utility fades. With the new rework, they will be used even less.

I think this is quite appropriate, though. Foraging for berries is an entirely realistic early-game strategy, and as one becomes more established, they become more of a niche luxury, a tasty embellishment for staple foods. At this point producing and using them in any quantity does indeed involve more intensively farming them. 

I like the fact that, on a server, if someone is known for producing lots of blueberry wine, it's an actual flex rather than just another common local crop.

[LadyWYT]

34 minutes ago, Yukia said:

long term jam

Welcome to the forums! I do want to note that turning fruit into jam is already possible. You'll need honey in order to do so.

[Silfrenbirce]

1 hour ago, LadyWYT said:

Welcome to the forums! I do want to note that turning fruit into jam is already possible. You'll need honey in order to do so.

And some of us find that more than a bit ridiculous. I understand the need to balance realism against game mechanics.  But honey is not how you make jam. You make jam with sugar.  Honey can be used to preserve fruit, yes.  But actual jam as we know it originated with sugarcane, not honey.

I hold out hope that as VS develops, we'll see more progression along those lines.

[Warmbo]

1 hour ago, Silfrenbirce said:

And some of us find that more than a bit ridiculous. I understand the need to balance realism against game mechanics.  But honey is not how you make jam. You make jam with sugar.  Honey can be used to preserve fruit, yes.  But actual jam as we know it originated with sugarcane, not honey.

I hold out hope that as VS develops, we'll see more progression along those lines.

Yeah but the game doesn't have sugar at the moment, no? So honey is a decent equivalent for now, in my opinion.

[dakko]

1 hour ago, Silfrenbirce said:

And some of us find that more than a bit ridiculous. I understand the need to balance realism against game mechanics.  But honey is not how you make jam. You make jam with sugar.  Honey can be used to preserve fruit, yes.  But actual jam as we know it originated with sugarcane, not honey.

Uhhhh... hot-water bath shelf-stable jam can absolutely be made with honey. I've done it myself, years ago, following recipes found in canning books.

[Silfrenbirce]

9 hours ago, dakko said:

Uhhhh... hot-water bath shelf-stable jam can absolutely be made with honey. I've done it myself, years ago, following recipes found in canning books.

I can believe you made some kind of fruit spread with honey. I and my family have made various things with sugar substitutes.  You didn't make jam.  Jam is made with sugar.

Edited Tuesday at 06:26 AM by Silfrenbirce

[coolAlias]

17 minutes ago, Silfrenbirce said:

I can believe you made some kind of fruit spread with honey I and my family have made various things with sugar substitutes.  You didn't make jam.  Jam is made with sugar.

As a linguistic aside, did you know that some languages have only one word for preserved fruits? While in English we make distinctions between jam, jelly, marmalade, fruit preserves, and probably other things I'm forgetting.

So perhaps you are technically correct in a very specific context, but I think the broader point of making some sort of mashed fruit with a sugary substance to preserve it is also quite fine, specific nomenclature aside.

[Warmbo]

This particular sub-argument doesn't seem geared towards improving the game.

[john_p]

Replaying the game in 1.22 to learn the old and the new, my house burned down as a bear chased me. 10/10 I can't wait for this update. I'm going to throw hot metal stuff at my friends' feet as soon as I am able to.

[Silfrenbirce]

8 hours ago, coolAlias said:

As a linguistic aside, did you know that some languages have only one word for preserved fruits? While in English we make distinctions between jam, jelly, marmalade, fruit preserves, and probably other things I'm forgetting.

So perhaps you are technically correct in a very specific context, but I think the broader point of making some sort of mashed fruit with a sugary substance to preserve it is also quite fine, specific nomenclature aside.

Fair enough.  My grandmother was a farm girl and later a farmwife and I learned early on that jam was jam and preserves were preserves (and not to ever be confused about mincemeat), if I didn't want to be run out of the kitchen.  Chalk it up to that.  

[Silfrenbirce]

5 hours ago, john_p said:

Replaying the game in 1.22 to learn the old and the new, my house burned down as a bear chased me. 10/10 I can't wait for this update. I'm going to throw hot metal stuff at my friends' feet as soon as I am able to.

I stepped off a cliff and fell to my death right after I loaded into my first 1.22 game save. What are you complaining about?

[dakko]

9 hours ago, Silfrenbirce said:

Fair enough.  My grandmother was a farm girl and later a farmwife and I learned early on that jam was jam and preserves were preserves (and not to ever be confused about mincemeat), if I didn't want to be run out of the kitchen.  Chalk it up to that.  

Btw, I initially thought you were saying that honey could not be used to preserve fruit (even though you did include that in your post, it didn't register in my brain). Hence my insistence that it was indeed possible based on my own experience. I am sorry for causing a commotion about the naming of said preserved fruit. My cookbooks called it jam; I don't have any knowledge about jam vs preserves, etc.

[LadyWYT]

2 minutes ago, dakko said:

jam vs preserves

I want to say that the main difference between jelly, jam, and preserves is that jelly is just the preserved juice--no fruit bits. Jam will have bits of mushed fruit and seeds in it, depending on what it was made from, so it's somewhat of an in-between of jelly and preserves. Preserves is very chunky and not really meant to be quite as spreadable as jelly or jam.

At least, that's my understanding of it. To put it another way, if peach is the flavoring then:

1. Peach jelly will taste like peaches but won't have any bits of the fruit in it.

2. Peach jam will taste like peaches and have a thicker texture than peach jelly due to having actual bits of fruit in it, but won't be all that chunky.

3. Peach preserves will taste like peaches and be very chunky due to containing chunks/whole slices of the fruit in question.

[dakko]

@LadyWYT Yes, this has been my understanding as well. I'm coming from an American perspective; I wonder how it might differ in some European countries that are so similar to us but sometimes have distinct differences? Even in the US there can be regional differences -- I'm thinking cornbread and chili, for instance; some people make it the hill to die on as to whether or not something can be called chili, etc. Our family recipes/expectations reflect the region that great grandparents lived before migrating to California.

Anyway, now that rc 2 has dropped, I'm gonna dive in! 

[OrekiWoof]

btw I haven't seen this until now, but Tyron posted this on Discord. This makes me feel a bit more at ease

[LadyWYT]

7 minutes ago, dakko said:

@LadyWYT Yes, this has been my understanding as well. I'm coming from an American perspective; I wonder how it might differ in some European countries that are so similar to us but sometimes have distinct differences? Even in the US there can be regional differences -- I'm thinking cornbread and chili, for instance; some people make it the hill to die on as to whether or not something can be called chili, etc. Our family recipes/expectations reflect the region that great grandparents lived before migrating to California.

Anyway, now that rc 2 has dropped, I'm gonna dive in! 

Could be. My perspective is probably rooted somewhere between the American South and the Midwest.

[Warmbo]

13 minutes ago, OrekiWoof said:

btw I haven't seen this until now, but Tyron posted this on Discord. This makes me feel a bit more at ease

It's not really the difficultly that bugs me, so much as the mechanics are nonsensical for how shrubs work. I *do* think berries should be sort of a midgame food, but if it was just the proposed difficultly level I wouldn't complain.

[Silfrenbirce]

1 hour ago, dakko said:

Btw, I initially thought you were saying that honey could not be used to preserve fruit (even though you did include that in your post, it didn't register in my brain). Hence my insistence that it was indeed possible based on my own experience. I am sorry for causing a commotion about the naming of said preserved fruit. My cookbooks called it jam; I don't have any knowledge about jam vs preserves, etc.

Well, to be fair, I think I was being more nitpicky than you were for the purpose of this thread.  I will say that I do think early fruit preservation with honey was different enough from much later methods that I personally would hesitate to equate them. And then again maybe I'm being over tedious about it and the differences equate to the different processes of meat curing, I dunno.

(I'll also add that part of my tedium probably stems from having recently seen some wildly inaccurate claims about medieval peoples using honey to preserve meat which is ahistorical and also an excellent way to get gullible people sick).

[Doctorgeo7]

On 3/8/2026 at 8:17 PM, Warmbo said:

I wouldn't call it knee-jerk, I'm literally suggesting different mechanics to achieve the same goal. The proposed mechanics just don't make any real sense from a horticulture perspective, and there's easy ways to take mechanics from the real-world and achieve the same results. That's all.

I call it knee jerk because the RC just released and some people immediately criticize the changes or call it worse than existing bushes. But have any of these people given the new bushes a try yet? I doubt it.

Edited Tuesday at 07:02 PM by Doctorgeo7
Grammar and spelling

[bramblevines]

The new music track, can anyone tell me how to disable it? No hate to the musicians I just have misophonia and it uses a trigger sound.

[dakko]

37 minutes ago, bramblevines said:

The new music track, can anyone tell me how to disable it? No hate to the musicians I just have misophonia and it uses a trigger sound.

Putting your request in the Questions forum would get more eyes on it.

If it were me, I would identify the file name by sorting the music files by date created (or date modified) - music files are located under the game folder > assets > survival > music

Then either remove the file, or replace the file by choosing one you'd prefer and rename it to the one you dislike.

I do not know if my method is wise or foolish, it is just how I'd approach it (not any sort of expert or anything).

eta: Welcome to the forums! Just noticed that you are new. If you have any timidity about my approach, I'm sure there are others more knowledgeable that may be able to tell you the proper way to do it. I'd ask in the Questions forum.

Edited Tuesday at 08:01 PM by dakko

[bramblevines]

Thank you! I will attempt this. And ty for the pointer to questions!

[dakko]

You're welcome! You may find this mod, Accessibility Tweaks, useful. With it you can selectively disable sounds within the game (not music though, as far as I know). It even has an option to show only those that are currently running, which makes it SO much easier to find the problematic sounds. This mod will not be updated until there is a stable release of 1.22 though.