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Berry bush rework - what's your take?

MKMoose

By MKMoose
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General impressions on the berry bush rework. The format is not ideal due to the limit of three questions per poll.  

130 members have voted

  1. 1. Which parts of the berry bush rework are, in your view, GREAT changes with no significant flaws (see the post below for a description of changes)?

    • 1. Reworked visuals.
      81
    • 2. New species.
      117
    • 3. Cuttings.
      74
    • 4. Adjusted growth cycle.
      35
    • 5. Bush health and fertilizer usage.
      26
    • 6. Fertilizer requirement specifically.
      17
    • 7. Medium soil fertility requirement.
      22
    • 8. Traits.
      70
    • 9. General balance as a food source.
      41
    • Overall effect of the rework on the game.
      33
    • // None of the above fall into this category.
      3

  2. 2. Which parts of the berry bush rework are GOOD overall, but have or cause SOME ISSUES that should be addressed (see the post below for a description of changes)?

    • 1. Reworked visuals.
      32
    • 2. New species.
      6
    • 3. Cuttings.
      31
    • 4. Adjusted growth cycle.
      33
    • 5. Bush health and fertilizer usage.
      35
    • 6. Fertilizer requirement specifically.
      28
    • 7. Medium soil fertility requirement.
      24
    • 8. Traits.
      31
    • 9. General balance as a food source.
      31
    • Overall effect of the rework on the game.
      16
    • // None of the above fall into this category.
      18

  3. 3. Which parts of the berry bush rework do you feel are a NET NEGATIVE for the game, and should be significantly revised or rolled back (see the post below for a description of changes)?

    • 1. Reworked visuals.
      9
    • 2. New species.
      2
    • 3. Cuttings.
      14
    • 4. Adjusted growth cycle.
      31
    • 5. Bush health and fertilizer usage.
      40
    • 6. Fertilizer requirement specifically.
      59
    • 7. Medium soil fertility requirement.
      40
    • 8. Traits.
      13
    • 9. General balance as a food source.
      27
    • Overall effect of the rework on the game.
      13
    • // None of the above fall into this category.
      44

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SimplyAG Wolf Bait

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7 hours ago, Crunchy Chicken said:

I hate that berries have to be fertilized at all. I want that out. The other changes are ok.

We can pray mods will arrive for that. Would be so nice to just 'revert them' back to the older version but keep the updated visuals. Wonder what wildcraft ended up like

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EnbyKaiju Ironsmith

EnbyKaiju

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Y'all demanding berry bushes be reverted have never worked in agriculture and it shows. I think the devs have done an awesome job and I'm loving the rework at mixing a level of realism without making it overly complicated & difficult to handle.

I do hope that a mod comes out that gives you what you want, if just so folks stop complaining about it, because it really drags down the mood of what has been a fantastic update.

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LadyWYT Historian

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10 hours ago, SimplyAG said:

Wonder what wildcraft ended up like

Wonder no more! https://mods.vintagestory.at/wildcraftfruit

At a glance the mechanics seem to be unchanged from old Wildcraft, so no bush traits, new visuals, or care requirements other than potentially needing trellis or making sure you plant the cuttings at the right time. Which is a shame, in my opinion, but oh well. Maybe they'll include an option in the config later for the new vanilla mechanics.

9 hours ago, EnbyKaiju said:

I do hope that a mod comes out that gives you what you want, if just so folks stop complaining about it, because it really drags down the mood of what has been a fantastic update.

For as many complaints as there have been, I'm a little surprised that no one's made a mod to revert it yet.

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MKMoose Steel Worker

MKMoose

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10 hours ago, EnbyKaiju said:

Y'all demanding berry bushes be reverted [...]

And this "y'all" is... who? One person under this topic saying that they want one specific part of the rework to be reverted? A reference to older requests to roll back soil degradation and the medium fertility requirement, which have been already granted by the devs?

 

1 hour ago, LadyWYT said:

At a glance the mechanics seem to be unchanged from old Wildcraft, so no bush traits, new visuals, or care requirements other than potentially needing trellis or making sure you plant the cuttings at the right time. Which is a shame, in my opinion, but oh well. Maybe they'll include an option in the config later for the new vanilla mechanics.

Porting over the vanilla changes would require a lot of added work, because the Wildcraft bushes are fairly large rework as well, if not larger. They would basically need to reimplement the new vanilla mechanics in their own code and assets, as well as potentially rework many of their textures as well if they were to match current vanilla mechanics exactly.

 

54 minutes ago, LadyWYT said:

For as many complaints as there have been, I'm a little surprised that no one's made a mod to revert it yet.

It's an ungrateful thing to revert, because plainly reverting it also loses out on a whole number of good changes. Just setting nutrient uptake to 0 is a very easy option, but that's really inelegant. Ignoring the berry bushes is an even easier option.

LadyWYT Historian

LadyWYT

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48 minutes ago, MKMoose said:

Porting over the vanilla changes would require a lot of added work, because the Wildcraft bushes are fairly large rework as well, if not larger. They would basically need to reimplement the new vanilla mechanics in their own code and assets, as well as potentially rework many of their textures as well if they were to match current vanilla mechanics exactly.

Oh I'm aware, and I don't really expect the mod authors to go to that much effort. But if they did want to integrate stuff like the trait system and whatnot, I sure wouldn't mind seeing it happen.

 

49 minutes ago, MKMoose said:

It's an ungrateful thing to revert, because plainly reverting it also loses out on a whole number of good changes. Just setting nutrient uptake to 0 is a very easy option, but that's really inelegant. Ignoring the berry bushes is an even easier option.

Maybe, but that's also partly what mods are for, is it not? To my recollection, there's been other game changes, like the quern crafting recipe and I think fireclay crafting as well, that had mods to revert them almost as soon as the changes launched. Hence my surprise that there's not yet been a mod to revert the berry bush changes entirely, or otherwise modify the parts that some players really don't like.

Crunchy Chicken Stone Age Settler

Crunchy Chicken

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13 hours ago, SimplyAG said:

We can pray mods will arrive for that. Would be so nice to just 'revert them' back to the older version but keep the updated visuals. Wonder what wildcraft ended up like

I'm pondering making said mod myself and also making it so the bushes give more fruit. I really like juicing and wine making and I'm just not vibing with this update.

Doctorgeo7 Stone Age Settler

Doctorgeo7

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Thank you so much for putting in the time and effort to make this post. I was optimistic when I first read about the berry bush rework. But I found it annoying that several people called the changes bad, despite the lack of details in the original dev-blog reveal and likely having not even tested the changes. The berry bush overhaul sounds like it will address my friends' and my issues with berry bushes being too easy to horde and overly simple to farm. All without adding too much complexity for the sake of "realism." 

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