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IIRC, The Official Public Server is going to do a full server wipe when preparing for 1.22, mainly so that added world-gen features (rapids) would be available. If you don't play on TOPS, that's fine, but I got the distinct feeling that many people are going to have to forego some old worlds they were on. Such is the life of someone playing on a game still in early access.

Try crafting in the lower left corner for hay bales. I was able to craft them on pre.5 just fine. [EDIT]: Also welcome to the forums @oSainte!!! Hope you enjoy your stay!

Tifa?

Well the specific crash is related to particles at Vintagestory.Client.NoObf.ParticleGeneric.UpdateBuffers(MeshData buffer, Vec3d cameraPos, Int32& posPosition, Int32& rgbaPosition, Int32& flagPosition) in VintagestoryLib\Client\Systems\Render\Particle\ParticleGeneric.cs:line 226 at Vintagestory.Client.NoObf.ParticlePoolQuads.OnNewFrame(Single dt, Vec3d cameraPos) in VintagestoryLib\Client\Systems\Render\Particle\ParticlePoolQuads.cs:line 264 at Vintagestory.Client.NoObf.SystemRenderParticles.Render(Int32 poolindex, Single dt) in VintagestoryLib\Client\Systems\Render\Particle\RenderParticles.cs:line 195 at Vintagestory.Client.NoObf.SystemRenderParticles.OnRenderFrame3D(Single deltaTime) in VintagestoryLib\Client\Systems\Render\Particle\RenderParticles.cs:line 175 so that's probably why turning the particles to zero helped. I would wipe and completely reinstall the game. No I mean a clean shut down and restart.

I know I said I was dipping out of the thread, but I did get pinged twice because someone @ mentioned me. I just wanted to drop a note and say I really like this proposed solution and I hope something like it gets implemented into the game. The benefits I see in it: New players will still get to experience the spookiness of the storm; veteran players will only have to adjust their agenda to fit what needs doing (like no smithing during a storm unless you really like wasted ingots!) New players can ease into fighting the monsters instead of being thrust into suddenly. Experienced players can speed up the process by intentionally lowering stability as the storm hits to fight it longer. Since killing monsters restores some stability, they won't have to fear getting overwhelmed or losing too much in the process. New players get introduced to the gear meter and what it means and how it works, since lower stability will cause monsters to spawn around you anyway. Experienced players get an extra game mechanic to toy with. The propensity of T4 drifters to spawn where the sun doesn't shine no longer needs hand-waving for the lore-allergic. The cons: It's a lot of work to change something like this, but seeing how the temporal storms are probably just a prototype system anyway, I can't really say this is THAT much of a con since I believe they're going to get some love in the future in the not too distant future. Players are still going to complain "We liked the old system better!" or still still turn them off and complain the game is lacking something. But all around a good suggestion and I like it. Call it cheating but I will 100% mulligan if I don't find flint and reeds in the first 20 minutes of gameplay because that's an entire day wasted and you don't always start with calm rift activity.

It doesn’t have to. Not everyone will see it your way and they're not wrong for it. You can, however, ease up a little, especially in a highly visible thread.

Does this happen in a new world or an existing world? Does it happen all the time or just during specific events like rain or lighting a fire? This is a GPU / OpenGL issue or a corruption in the game assets. Try updating your GPU driver if you haven't already. In your graphics, set particles to low. You also have a funny windows version. 10.0.26200 is actually a Windows 11 Insider branch. When was the last time you rebooted your PC?

I wouldn't mind playing around with this, actually... I'm still curious why, exactly, people think their walls should protect them from what is essentially a collision of two parallel worlds one of which doesn't contain those walls. Bro was chillin in his little rust world and then suddenly bam, walls? A human? Must be hostile. Time to kill. Your walls mean nothing to a world that doesn't have them. At least, that's my take on it... and that's why the lore is important here, despite all the nonsense I unfortunately keep seeing about the lore not mattering to the game mechanics. Looking back through the thread, many of the people calling this a "bad implementation" never describe what a better implementation would actually look like. Without that, there isn't much anyone can meaningfully respond to. Criticism alone doesn't provide a direction for improvement. This whole discussion is proving to be pointless, so I'm bowing out and unsubscribing from the thread. Wake me when someone who has a problem with the current implementation actually proposes a solution.

true. But the monsters come from the lore so without that, you're just left with a generic building game that just has slightly different mechanics than other building games. I think mainly for those of us that are arguing that the storms stay as they are currently, are doing so because we don't want to see the storms become optional or a thing you can ignore. This is mainly coming from a lore standpoint because the storms aren't optional for the NPCs so it's very immersion breaking to live in a world where you know it's about to go to @#$% soon but in your corner, everything is fine and always will be because you decided it must be so. No, I'd rather the world be just as unforgiving for me, the player, as it is for the NPCs. But I can still see value in allowing tweaks so that the storms are less severe or so that monsters don't just appear out of thin air in the same room as the player.

It might cost us another version and 3 other features, but I think maybe a slider in the world config to set the value to a multiplier between 0x and 2x with the default in the middle. This slider then controls how many monsters spawn during storms so that players can tweak it however they want. Personally, I see the need to sit around and wait for them to be over as a lack of preparation. If this offends you, please know that I mean zero offense towards anyone. I'm not judging you, just stating what I believe to be a fact as harsh as it sounds. An experienced player can prepare for the first storm. New players cannot. So if the new player is wholly unprepared, I can see an option to disable spawning in a radius around the player as a viable option either for an indispensable mod or just the base game itself as an option that players can enable if they so choose, but otherwise remains off by default to give the player the experience the devs want them to have -- which is, I believe, a harsh survival experience with a story to tell. Not everyone will enjoy it and I think they know this.

I'm sure they're the same thing, rot/rust beasts. The idea is that they come from the rust world, but other lore seems to suggest they were once human consumed by rot. We don't actually know what the rot does to people, only that once infected, they were sent away. But I've seen them called rotbeasts since early 2025 on these forums. I think you're the first I've seen calling them rustbeasts. Please feel free to share any lore tidbits you find either in the lore section of the forums or in my DMs.

oh yeah they could probably use a damage boost, a slight one, but they feel like they're in a pretty good place right now.

haha my same reaction. I was hoping that the spears would stay the same. But nerfed? hmm... no. Balanced is more like it because with spears, there was previously no reason to use a bow and arrow or a falx until you got to steel. No. Because quenching wasn't a thing before so actually I expect the new iron spears to become better and steel even more so. It feels reasonable. As @LadyWYT explained the health of numerous creatures was adjusted so that they still feel the same, but with the addition of quenching and tempering the new spears have a chance to go higher than was ever possible before. In addition, because the spear numbers were actually brought lower, other weapon types are gaining more relevance, primarily the falx and the bow/arrow. In fact, I appreciate the offering of choices now because before I felt shoehorned into only using the spear due to the hunter's melee penalties, but now, even with the longer windup, it feels better than it did before.

That's okay. The nature of these forums is that there can be three different conversations happening at once, and people jump in and out of them at will. Basically I was mostly agreeing with you, which I realize might be confusing because I haven't been doing that much in this thread. This. This right here. Anything could happen in the meantime, including adjustments to storms or a more thorough introduction to them from the first trader you meet. Hopefully the player meets a trader in time, because realistically there is no way they should know about a temporal storm before then. I remember my first temporal storm. I had no idea what was happening and it was a mess. I never forgot it though. Now I suit up, grab my best weapons and armor, and prepare to defend my home. Yes, even the inside of my home. The nature of what they are simply doesn't allow that yet. Currently they are a global phenomenon, which is explained in the first two story chapters. I mean... same. I hate seeing the little pop-up that a storm is coming because I know I have about 20 minutes to prepare for it: stop what I'm doing, batten down the hatches, and make sure I have bandages and that my weapons and armor aren't about to break. It's a disruption, and the way the story is going I believe we're eventually going to try to find a way to stop it. So for now, the storms stay. Not saying you have to keep them on, but you are missing a large part of what makes the game what it is. It would be like playing 7DTD without the Bloodmoon, Valheim without the raids, or Subnautica without the threat of the deep. It's environmental tension rather than just a scheduled attack mechanic. Even the spacing of the storms is somewhat randomized. But to the title of the thread: do I think they are a bad implementation? No. But I do think there is room for improvement. Of that much, the rest of you have convinced me. [EDIT]: Also welcome to the forums @xaade! I promise we're not always like this

I agree with this point in principle. If the player wishes to engage with normal gameplay mechanics and manages to find a way to avoid or mitigate a mechanic they don't particularly enjoy, that isn't a problem with the game. Solutions driven by need are part of what makes sandbox gameplay so interesting. That said, my earlier comments about how the mechanic currently functions and whether it creates meaningful gameplay rather than frustration still stand. There is a stark difference between players working around something and a mechanic actively encouraging unintended gameplay because the implementation needs improvement. That is to say, I still firmly believe that "dig a hole and hide" is a valid solution to the problem until the player is better experienced and/or prepared for the storm. And that said, I think your earlier comments about the on-ramp still hold merit and that perhaps the first trader you run into could tell you more about it and give you some advice ("either arm yourself or dig a hole to hide in as I have done" kind of thing), From the lore bits and stories we know outside of the game, the traders and villagers are very much affected by the temporal madness that is present in the world and the recent adjustments to the traders (from wagons to huts) seems to reflect this strongly. So while I may disagree with some of your conclusions, the general idea that players shouldn't be policed for how they choose to engage with or avoid a mechanic until they're ready is something I can definitely agree with. I'm glad to see our views aligning better on this. oh yeah a longer storm would definitely do it, especially since the heavier storms do tend to last longer, it feels.

I usually just pile it up in a room and see how many stacks I can get before someone comes along and decides boots are the new thing to buy and sell at the traders. And yes, my next build will have a dedicated leather room.

Aqua Vitae? idk maybe it's just me, but alcohol soaked bandages go hard especially during the fight with the chapter 1 location boss, but also during temporal storms when I've taken one to many hits from a nightmare drifter up the back end.

Came here to say this. Glad to see it brought up. The charcoal gnomes actually steal the firewood from the pit before you light it just to make sure it burns incorrectly. I've seen it happen.

Enjoy your movement speed penalty. Is that iron or steel? I have never actually made plate armor before and usually defer to chainmail or brigandine just for the mobility they provide over Plate. I also play hunter so ranged accuracy is a must for me.

Unfortunately by the time I got to this thread it had already gotten blown up by others who wanted to do that. I think there are improvements to be made, but without knowing where the rest of the story is going to go, it's hard to say what exactly would even be appropriate. Several things have been discussed and I think there was even a compromise to be made at one point that suggested just a zone of safety around the player where nothing could spawn at all. Most everything else I have seen is just arguing semantics or suggestions that I think might fit better as mods so that people can pick and choose their preferred experience.

Well you were the one that asked. I'm not sure what you expected from this. Then if the only thing that the ads mention is the only thing that's important to the game, then how do you rationalize that movie trailers often do not spoil the entire plot? You say you're not going to engage, but you keep coming back here with more of the same stuff to say. I don't know what you are expecting from any of this. My take on this is that it's a prototype system. They knew something had to be there to support something else. So they added it. Now we have seen that systems they put into place don't always stay the same, for example smithing and more recently berry bushes. They also completely overhauled the way you get fish to the point that fishing is actually fun and not the chore that it can be with some mods that I've played with that tried to make fishing "better" or more reliable. In this case, they knew something had to be there to support the story part of Vintage Story. So it was added ahead of time. No one knew why. Then they added chapters 1 and 2 and lo and behold, it started to make sense. These things were added as story mechanics to tell the tale that this game is trying to tell in 8 chapters, that have apparently already been written. So I think it's fair to say that the devs probably do have interest in improving them, but until something in the story shifts to warrant a drastic change, it's probably going to be relegated to the Polish and Rework portion of the roadmap. Read above. You have mentioned at least twice that you no longer wish to engage with the subjective side of this, which is fair, but I and others have explained how these systems are objectively tied to the game's "uncompromising" core. Chapters 1 and 2 already tie the temporal mechanics directly into the story and world building. The rifts, storms, and stability aren’t just random gameplay systems, they exist because of what happened to the world. That’s why people know they are crucial to the game and story, without any dev explanation needed here, that is clear to see. At this point it comes down to whether you accept the accounts of others regarding the story chapters and the relevance of the game mechanics explained there. If you have played them and somehow reached a conclusion that contradicts the vast majority of people, it’s difficult to understand how that could be...

Honestly just hole up in the ground if you're not prepared for the first few storms and go make a sandwich or something.

Yes and it is. You must have the proper ingredients in the right ratios to make a meal and you can only cook up to 6 servings at a time which takes considerably more fuel now than it did before. And if you leave it in the cookpot and don't put it in a crock in your basement/cellar, then you run the risk of it spoiling in a couple of days. That's about as realistic as the game can get without allowing you to invent new foods...at which point you might as well just eat the raw ingredients and pretend it's a meal. I do recommend cooking the meat and mushrooms first at the very least. Some of the mushrooms get spicy now. Reveal spoiler for screenshot of upcoming mechanics. The point is even the simplest of game systems are uncompromising because they are designed with that in mind. BUT They can also be modded and expanded upon. Do you think that mods shouldn't be allowed in the game since that violates your understanding of the word uncompromising? EDIT: I will also add that the thread title said that temporal storms are a bad implementation of a good idea. To bring things back around to the initial discussion since we have gotten so far off track, I will say that I disagree that they are a bad implementation. They are a fair initial start, but as with all things, there probably is room for improvement. However the storms need to stay global and they need to remain an actual threat for pretty much any player regardless of whether they are just starting out or are 2-3 years into the game.

Oh whoops, my bad. Didn't realize it was only okay when you did it. Ignore what I said then.

GOOD Let's keep it that way.