Bruno Willis

Thanks for the reminder about the cold vulnerability slider, I'll use that. This is definitely off topic now, but how about if the air timer for swimming stayed the same, but if you were wearing armor you got a little red tag saying "armor weighs you down" and were unable to rise (spacebar wouldn't let you rise to the surface). Perhaps the same could be said if you're carrying more than one bag, now that bags can easily be placed down? That way you might fall into water, realise you're too heavy to get out, and take your armor off, place your bags on the riverbed, and kick for the surface, then do a couple of rescue dives to retrieve your bags one by one. It'd make falling into water while unprepared a threat, but it wouldn't restrict exploring underwater much at all.

I'd love to see a practical use for the planter pots in game already. It would be really cute to plant seeds in the planters (like 6 seeds per planter) and then remove them once they hit the first growth stage and re-plant them in your garden. If you just let them keep growing, one would dominate and you'd end up with a single crop even if you left all six seedlings in.

That's an excellent idea. It'd still need to be able to be placed on a farm plot with plants growing on it, but that'd be a nice change to ladders anyway. Maybe it would only work with the crude ladders (made with sticks).

Bit of a side note, but with the drowning, I really think environmental effects are pretty toothless in V.S. In NZ, there are no dangerous animals, but people still die in the wilderness because of how bad exposure is. In V.S. we get really really cold, and then eventually, eventually, we take a small amount of damage. Same with swimming, it's a crazy long air bar before we take any damage, which is neat, except that it removes the risk of drowning almost entirely. If you couldn't swim up while wearing armor, that'd be really interesting. Imagine seeing a nice flat bit of grass to make camp as you're traveling through the swamp, only to step onto it and find it's a layer of pond-scum over a deep pool, and now you're desperately pulling your armor off so that you can swim back to the surface before you drown.

It always seemed odd to me that you get the same amount of dried grass from a "very short" grass growth as you do from "tall grass." There's a whole set of different heights of grass, why not give more dry grass the taller the grass growth?

I love the idea of trellis and frames for vines. It could be a two-tall block of sticks, which if placed free-standing on farm plot, would make a 2 tall cone of sticks, and if placed against a wall, would form a leaning frame, again 2 tall. Placing a trellis would work in a similar way to placing fertiliser, in that it could be placed on farm land, even with growing plants on it. I'd love it if an unoccupied trellis would work like a tool rack, and even an occupied one could have have sheer, or a knife, or a reed basket or watering can hung from the side. Trellises and tomatoes would add so much to the look of our gardens.

Some people find traveling in V.S. boring. I find it frustrating sometimes myself, especially if I die far from home, or see repeating areas of forest, then hills, then forested hills, etc. I do not think adding more ruins or villages, or any sort of structure, is the right way to add excitement to travel, they would just make the world feel weirdly busy. Everyone wants to see rivers added, and I think they're a really good way to improve travel, and we can learn from them to find other ways to improve travel. Rivers, if done well, can be 1: a barrier to travel, 2: an aid to travel, and 3: a landmark. A person might need to find a wide part of the river to ford it, or a narrow part to bridge it, or they might use a boat to row up or down it, depending on their intended direction. Finding a river makes travel more interesting because it adds a large-scale challenge, which can be turned into a powerful, travel related reward which helps add a sense of narrative to travel. Drawing from that, I think travel would be really improved by building challenges to travel into world gen., which have interesting solutions. Think about stories where travel is a key component. A mountain range becomes a serious barrier, and a pass or tunnel through it becomes a huge reward if found. A swamp becomes a terrible threat, unless one knows a safe way through. It seems like making rivers work will require a serious re-working of the world gen. system. I would love to see, alongside rivers: a system to produce good long mountain chains, which generate with exciting-to-find passes cutting through them. a system to produce swampy regions with sinking mud potential, and with safe paths through, which can be marked bit by bit, using trial and error. a system to produce rocky reefs and regions of stormy seas, with safe, deep channels threading through them. To make those challenges more interesting, I think we'd need to add: avalanches (as purely snow related mechanic separate from the messy sideways stability soil mechanic), some sort of challenging mud or deceptive pond scum, and faster drowning? (because drowning really doesn't feel like a serious threat at the moment), and the possibility for boats to take damage on collision (perhaps only during storms).

Big kelp grows in cold areas, and it's really useful for making carry bags:

Corvids would really suit the V.S. tone. The tropical version could be parrots, since they can be similar sized, and are also smart and curious and can learn to talk.

From my experience, I shot a deer in the head and it ran a good 40 meters before sitting down, still alive (it was a very distressing hunting experience), and I shot a deer above the heart, in that artery dense area, and it dropped immediately and rolled down the hill, dead (a much better hunting experience). As a hunter, the current hunting experience in VS is a bit stressful, because you really don't want to be wounding an animal, but not killing it. Once I've hit an animal in V.S. I chase it all over the place and try to finish it off, because it seems cruel to leave it mortally wounded. I know that's not how animal health works at the moment, but that's how it comes across to me. I think these are good points: I'd love to see animals have a state between "calmly doing their thing" and "fleeing madly". Imagine if deer could hear you move through bushes, and would perk up, get alert, heads up, ears twitching, and they'd move off slowly towards denser forest. If you made another noise, then they'd bolt. I also think taking wind direction into animal's senses could be really cool. In real life, wind carries smell and sound, so if you're up wind of an animal, it will become aware of you quickly and move slowly out of the area. If you get downwind though, they can't really hear you that well, you can push through bush and move a bit faster without them noticing, and you can usually get into a better position. Obviously this would be a way cooler mechanic if wind direction could change in V.S. but I still think it could be cool. You'd think about terrain in a different way when hunting than when traveling, and you might feel more confident hunting when the wind was up a little. Actually, maybe decent winds should make projectiles less accurate, and animals keener to settle into sheltered spots.

I'd like to see geese in the sky signaling seasonal changes, and little birds singing around ripe fruit trees and berry bushes, and falcons circling above corpses that haven't been harvested yet.

To be a bit nit-picky, they really aren't. Compound bows are more about taking the weight off your arms when they hit full draw than about adding power, (although they can do do that), so that people can hold them at full draw for longer and aim in the way you aim with a gun. Traditional recurve bows can be outrageously powerful too, and just as accurate, but people usually draw, aim, and fire in one motion so they don't have to hold the weight very long. For aiming, it's like the difference between chucking a stone and using a slingshot. I'd say it's more likely that an animal drops dead / incapacitated, or you have to follow a blood trail for a long way. Hunters usually aim for an area around the heart rather than the head or spine, I think especially with arrows? I would say, I'm pretty sure medieval hunting arrows are really nasty, designed to work their way deeper as an animal runs, so there'd definitely be a blood trail, and probably a body at the end of it. Yes. I'd love a little instant kill box on all the game animals, which I've written about in this thread here:

Much appreciated. I personally don't like the skill tree approach, I think it's better to design a system which is complex enough that players can actually develop player skills. I don't want to be told that my seraph is good at smithing now, I want to figure out how to respond to a poor tempering from previous experience. It's like smithing sheers - it feels really good when you learn how to make them from one ingot. I wouldn't want to be given that ability just because I'd smithed an arbitrary number of other items.

Sourdough! It's very easy to get a basic starter going with flour and water and little else. We've been eating sourdough in V.S. and it is delicious.

I'd prefer to see the very basic version: a hollowed out log set upright, and a pole with a metal cap (one pulverizer cap). You just stand there, smashing down into the hollow log until the thing inside is turned to dust/pulp. Not efficient at all, but enough if you are determined not to get mechanical. They were a common tool IRL, I think.

Damascus steel seems like the perfect way to use steel bits from broken tool heads. I like the idea that you might get bits and pieces of steel here and there as your tools break or when you quench too close to the sun, and you store them up in a little owl chest in the roof for a special occasion. That way by the time you've become a skilled smith, you'll have enough steel bits to make your masterwork: a Damascus steel, perfectly quenched and tempered tool, a falx, spear or maybe a hoe.

Yeah, I think sticking close to realistic smithing mechanics here would help the devs. If there were a wider range of choices involved in working metal, you'll get a small percentage of people getting really obsessive about how to game a complex system, learning how to mitigate different issues, you'd get master smiths, instead of bored people following a spreadsheet. And then you'll also get very thankful customers for those master smiths, instead of people going "I could have done that, but I didn't want to spend the time." To be fair, I'm not sure how complex the system needs to be to get to a point where some people can't be bothered but some can master it and have fun doing it. Maybe the current system is already doing that?

I personally think it'd be more fun to find an animal, track it, and bring it down with a perfect shot, and be done with hunting for a while, than it is to see an animal, hit it, chase it, see it again, hit it, repeat until dead. The second option is not so realistic, but also looses some of the anticipation and risk in taking the shot, which I think is the exciting part of hunting. It's all about: "Do I take shot here, or do I wait for it to step closer to the pool? Should I creep closer? If I do, I might spook it, but if I don't, I might miss." At the moment you just take any shot that you can, and the worst that happens is you lose your last spear and have to spook the animal trying to retrieve it. I was thinking about this, and if an instant kill yielded more meat, a guaranteed way to get an instant kill is to kill a domesticated animal with a cleaver. I think it would be a really interesting trade-off if in order to get a full meat yield you could either: Hunt skillfully and drop targets in one shot, or domesticate animals, and then reliably drop them in one with the cleaver. In this situation, I'd say the more times an animal was hit before it died, the less meat it would produce. Sort of like how an animal which falls off a cliff is too mangled to offer much meat.

V.S. health is tied to nutrition already, in a very nice, subtle way, using the nutrition bars. The higher each nutrition bar is, the more health you get. It doesn't seem like much, but when you get them all full you really notice the improvement. I would like an extra "nutrition" bar for something like variety, novelty, flavor, etc. If we had that extra bar, I could imagine adding an extra type of meat, something like a "prime cut," which could only be taken from domestic animals, which would fill the novelty bar faster, as well as be a more filling version of red meat.

Yeah, I wonder if domestication could also result in fatter, healthier animals, I.e. more fat and meat off gen. 1+ animals than off wild game, as a way to offset hunting being easier... Although that means the whole game gets easier, which we don't want.

Welcome to the forums! I love the idea of getting an echo when you hit a block with a hollow behind it. That would add so much mystery to the feeling of caving, and help those of us fools who play with cave-ins enabled avoid being crushed. I'd rather it if they did all of this with in-game mechanics rather than a block prefix. I.e. a wet block might have beads of moisture running down it, while a warm one could even hurt to get close to? It seems like it'd be worth it to have a strong warning before you mine into a lava pocket.

These are the sort of mechanics that really add something to V.S. It remains hidden unless you go looking for it, or already have some small amount of knowledge. I think V.S. does a great job already getting players to ask "Wait, can I do..." and answering "YES". I don't see any downside to adding this in depth mechanic except dev time to make it happen. Surely it could be a rainy day side project.

Yeah, I'm leaning towards the current abstracted approach, personally. We already get plenty of gameplay out of the actual hunting aspect, and other things need more attention right now (like spinning and weaving).

Actually, that's a really fair reason to add more mechanical depth to butchery. It'd add quite a lot if you could choose to kill fewer animals, but get good at butchery and get more out of them. I like how bushmeat is used in recurve bows, symbolizing using sinew. That's a really nice abstraction of a real process. It references reality without being too obsessive or gruesome. If there were some way to do that with the butchery process that'd be good. I like the idea that bush butchery leaves a carcass which attracts flies and wolves, vs. home butchery which is cleaner and more profitable. That way, being wasteful is gruesome, and being respectful is cleaner and less disturbing. Totally agree. Keep it abstracted, but use the abstraction to reference real world practices.

Likewise, the out of sight out of mind thing makes me pretty uncomfortable, but I think it's worth keeping gore out of player's faces if possible while still getting some good gameplay. I don't think there is any way to add detail to butchery without making people uncomfortably aware that they're turning a living creature into cuts of meat. It is what it is. Either the devs leave that part of the game tastefully abstracted, or they add a bit of mechanical depth to butchery, and it makes people uncomfortable (as it should). I don't mind either way. I don't play vintage story to get my hands into offal. Actually, scratch that, I want random pieces of offal from butchering. Liver and kidney omelet! Yum!