sandwich 🥪

[layon Oliveira]

bread is awesome, but just after the 8th bread not a lot of grain nutrition is on, and I get hungry fast,always carrying some bowl to make sure.

pies are crazy cute and adorable, love to make a tasty pie.

but I'd REALLY love if some red meat, lettuce, onion on a rye bread, thats crazy good food maybe too far form the scenery of vintage story but it would be perfect, I can see it in my dreams...

[Kulze]

First we gotta have yeast, the bread we got in VS is basically hardtack. Same as the pie crust being a hard crust, not the modern softer ones.

But yeah, I'm always for expanding food options. Would also like roasts instead of primarily stews, a baking pan with meat, fat and veggies inside turning into a nice roast would be great.
Or sausages, those would be great to make too. Stir fries with a skillet, all fun things which would be fantastic to have.

[qualicabyss]

jam on bread
yum

[SnapJelly]

Weirdly enough sandwiches are actually a very late invention irl, so within a medieval style setting a sandwich doesn't really fit.

But adding one also doesn't really change much so I'm fine with it  

[Andospe]

As a compromise: the option of making "rations" with higher amount of different nutritions but not consuming all of the space in inventory.

for example, a ration of bread with pickled onions and salted meat in some kind of small basket, leather/linen pouches or wood boxes.

[SnapJelly]

33 minutes ago, Andospe said:

a ration of bread with pickled onions and salted meat

Pot pie can be made with grain, meat and veggies and stacks in up to 32 which can each be divided by 4!

Charred they will have less nutrition but will last for 12 days, great choice for a very filling ration!

[Asatar]

On 8/29/2026 at 12:43 PM, SnapJelly said:

...within a medieval style setting a sandwich doesn't really fit.

ngl this is a silly argument and the fact that this is medieval-style/adjacent/inspired shouldn't shy away from something as simple as a sandwich. Like, you mean to tell that something as simple as a sandwich, 2 slices of bread, meat, cheese, and some greens, doesn't "fit" with the game's setting because the sandwich wasn't popularized by a 18th century english noble? Yeah sure, it is "anachronistic" but it is entirely within the realm of possibility that sandwiches could've historically existed long before the "earl of sandwich" started gambling. Also, it wasn't until 1.22 to where you can mix meat and vegetables in pies, something historically done within medieval settings. Forum users would argue that doing so would be "op". Live a little and let there be sandwiches!

Edited September 12 by Asatar

[SnapJelly]

17 minutes ago, Asatar said:

it wasn't until 1.22 to where you can mix meat and vegetables in pies, something historically done within medieval settings

Yeah but something that was done historically not being added to the game yet is not at all comparable to something that wasn't done historically to be added to the game.

 

18 minutes ago, Asatar said:

Yeah sure, it is "anachronistic" but it is entirely within the realm of possibility that sandwiches could've historically existed long before the "earl of sandwich" started gambling.

Yeah but this is nothing but speculation, it's entirely withing the real of possibility that in ancient egypt it used to rain spaghetti but we have equal evidence for both: none.

 

20 minutes ago, Asatar said:

Live a little and let there be sandwiches!

Completely ignoring the part where I said: 

 

On 8/29/2026 at 2:43 PM, SnapJelly said:

But adding one also doesn't really change much so I'm fine with it  

 

[Asatar]

8 minutes ago, SnapJelly said:

Yeah but this is nothing but speculation, it's entirely withing the real of possibility that in ancient egypt it used to rain spaghetti but we have equal evidence for both: none.

Apples and oranges argument completely misses the point. Barring such a ridiculous premise, it could be that no one ever bothered writing down a recipe for something as obvious, simple, and mundane as a sandwich wouldn't be necessary. There are several underlying issues with the conception for the word "sandwich". Most importantly the word was coined during the Victorian era. An era notorious for people fabricate outlandish stories and misattributing historical characters as the originators of things then passing those stories as the truth despite evidence to the contrary.

Also, it is entirely within the realm of possibility that "sandwiches" as we know it had either, gone by a different name with that name migrated to mean something else, had no name at all (just called breads and meats), or was umbrella'ed into a catch-all-term word that could've meant multiple things.

Another thing but it depends on what your "definition" of a sandwich, but "wraps" and stuffed pita breads as we know it had existed well before the 18th century within the Middle East. 

Finally, you should work on your comparisons because an event like "raining spaghetti" would mostly like be historically recorded as a transition from "spaghetti to water" would most likely be written down. And such an event would leave sort of "physical" indication within the area

15 minutes ago, SnapJelly said:

Yeah but something that was done historically not being added to the game yet is not at all comparable to something that wasn't done historically to be added to the game.

Yeah, this was a poorly articulated argument and I probably should've pointed out that this is an argument between "historical accuracy" vs "historical feasibility" when it comes to the game. Like how many of the crops in game are not native to europe, but could've "feasibly" grown in a europe-like environment. And that game shouldn't be really be shackled by "historica accuracy" instead using it as a grounding tool. Instead the game should focus more on the "feasibility" of the given technology, like how copper-made chutes is a modern invention. 

43 minutes ago, SnapJelly said:

Completely ignoring the part where I said: 

Slight disagree as it would change how nutrients are gained for the character because that is meat, grain, dairy, and vegetable in one meal. The only thing comparable are meat stews which is missing the dairy component

[SnapJelly]

20 minutes ago, Asatar said:

it could be that no one ever bothered writing down a recipe for something as obvious, simple, and mundane as a sandwich wouldn't be necessary

well we have plenty of recipes for things like oatmeal which is just boiling oats in water; they bothered writing that down. Also after the invention of the sandwich the recipes suddenly pop up so that would mean that at a random point in history people suddely decided sandwiches are worth writing about while previously they weren't. Meanwhile other even simpler meals were written about? This argumens doesn't hold up.

 

22 minutes ago, Asatar said:

Also, it is entirely within the realm of possibility that "sandwiches" as we know it had either, gone by a different name with that name migrated to mean something else

Sure, but we could tell my the recipe if something would in modern times classify as a sandwich or not regardless of what it's called, the same way they would call what we would now call a pie; ''pudding''
We read the recipe and see that it's a pie...

 

24 minutes ago, Asatar said:

you should work on your comparisons because an event like "raining spaghetti" would mostly like be historically recorded as a transition from "spaghetti to water" would most likely be written down.

I agree that my example was outrageous for dramatic effect but the point remains the same, your claim that is ''would most likely be written down'' is based on nothing but assumption. And similarly if sandwiches were common practice we would find records of them, the same way we find records of other methods of eating bread.

 

31 minutes ago, Asatar said:

like how copper-made chutes is a modern invention. 

Well that's not quite true, while I know of no examples of chutes for item transport the exact same way as the game does we have found copper pipes for water transport in north afrika dating back to like 2000bc, the screw principle was invented around like 500bc

 

33 minutes ago, Asatar said:

Slight disagree as it would change how nutrients are gained for the character because that is meat, grain, dairy, and vegetable in one meal. The only thing comparable are meat stews

No, pies do this.
The method of preparing would even be the same, add ingredients and bake it. A single pie cuts into 4 slices the same way the oven holds 4 breads at once.
So the difference would only be if you add the other ingredients before or after baking.

[Asatar]

32 minutes ago, SnapJelly said:

 Meanwhile other even simpler meals were written about? This argumens doesn't hold up.

Meals may have been written about, but their preparation was left up to interpretation. Much like how we know what Ancient Bablyonians ate, but we dont know their exact preparation for their meals because they never recorded its preparation. For all we know documents that write "some meats and cheeses" could either be separate or together in a sandwich configuration. Or perhaps the idea of something in a "sandwich" configuration is so pendantic that it wasn't worth a naming. Like I could have something that is sandwich configuration, but never bothered naming it a "sandwich" because it wasn't worth naming

32 minutes ago, SnapJelly said:

Well that's not quite true, while I know of no examples of chutes for item transport the exact same way as the game does we have found copper pipes for water transport in north afrika dating back to like 2000bc, the screw principle was invented around like 500bc

exceptions do not make the rule. Copper historically was used for cooking ware and jewelry and the job of "piping" was relegated to lead instead, yet there are no lead pipes in game

[SnapJelly]

1 hour ago, Asatar said:

Meals may have been written about, but their preparation was left up to interpretation. Much like how we know what Ancient Bablyonians ate, but we dont know their exact preparation for their meals because they never recorded its preparation. For all we know documents that write "some meats and cheeses" could either be separate or together in a sandwich configuration. Or perhaps the idea of something in a "sandwich" configuration is so pendantic that it wasn't worth a naming. Like I could have something that is sandwich configuration, but never bothered naming it a "sandwich" because it wasn't worth naming

oke well this is simply not true, have you read a cookbook from the past before? We have plenty of surviving ones from hundreds of years ago and they deal with both the preperation, presentation and sometimes even preferred method of eating. The only thing they don't really have is standardised measurements.

 

1 hour ago, Asatar said:

the job of "piping" was relegated to lead instead

Sure but it was an example to show the use of copper in game isn't a far fetched idea, lead ''realistically'' wouldn't work like the chutes do in game because it's too soft. It wasn't to point out there are no pipes in game, it was to point out copper has been used as a material to do the things they do in game for thousands of years, so it's not a modern invention as you claimed.

[Asatar]

Just a reminder on my argument since it has meandered is that the absence of a surviving medieval recipe for a sandwich tells us that we don't have a surviving medieval recipe for a sandwich. it does not tell us that medieval people were incapable of putting food between two pieces of bread. I should reiterate that while the existence of sandwiches while historically unproven, you cannot prove that sandwiches didn't exist. Also that "historical feasibility" should trump "historical accuracy" when possible. 

3 hours ago, SnapJelly said:

oke well this is simply not true, have you read a cookbook from the past before? We have plenty of surviving ones from hundreds of years ago and they deal with both the preperation, presentation and sometimes even preferred method of eating. The only thing they don't really have is standardised measurements.

Hundreds of years ago != Medieval Era. There are no historical european cookbooks that includes an exhaustive record of everything medieval people ate or every mundane combination of ingredients nor did medieval recipes include measurements. In fact few outside of some exception ever included measurements. Also, Just because something wasn't given a name doesn't mean it didn't exist. It just means that we haven't given it a name yet.

At this point you are acting retarded and further attempts is wasted effort. "we don't have a surviving recipe, therefore nobody did it." is a brainlet-tier argument of absence, not evidence that the act itself was impossible or no one ever did such a thing because that thing wasn't given a name.

 

Edited September 13 by Asatar

[SnapJelly]

32 minutes ago, Asatar said:

Just because something wasn't given a name doesn't mean it didn't exist.

you keep focussing on the name... I keep telling you that no matter the name we would be able to look at the recipe and tell if something is a sandwich no matter what it's called.
what's with this obsession over the name? the name is not important...

 

32 minutes ago, Asatar said:

There are no historical european cookbooks that includes an exhaustive record of everything medieval people ate or every mundane combination of ingredients

wrong: the oldest surviving cookbook dates back to 1730bc, we have plenty of cookbooks from the medieval period and they included specifically what the poor people relied upon for survival, so quite literally what mundane combination of ingredients every day people ate.

This is just proof you are agruing for something based on speculation, if you were actually interested in historical cooking you would know this, the sources are publically avaiable, you can just google them.

32 minutes ago, Asatar said:

In fact few outside of some exception ever included measurements

correct, this is exactly what I said right here: 

 

4 hours ago, SnapJelly said:

The only thing they don't really have is standardised measurements.

So I am glad you confirm what I said without being aware of it

 

32 minutes ago, Asatar said:

Also that "historical feasibility" should trump "historical accuracy" when possible. 

this is personal opinion, you can not make this claim for other people playing this game.

 

32 minutes ago, Asatar said:

At this point you are acting retarded and further attempts is wasted effort.

there is no need for petty insults, it only makes your claim look less valid.

 

32 minutes ago, Asatar said:

we don't have a surviving recipe, therefore nobody did it." is a brainlet-tier argument of absence

Well the exact same argument could be made in the opposide direction; why would you assume anything happened if there is absolutely 0 evidence for it? Just because it COULD HAVE been true? Based on what? Your own bias? That is ridiculous.
You want history to be whatever you want it to be even if there is no evidence for it and just ignore the evidence we have based on what your desired outcome is and then insult people who point out the flaws in your logic? That's not a great argument man.

 

32 minutes ago, Asatar said:

not evidence that the act itself was impossible or no one ever did such a thing because that thing wasn't given a name.

I will repeat it once again, hopefully you'll get it this time: us not giving a name to a certain thing has no merrit on if it exists or not, however us not having a single indication or description or drawing or anything else of the sort indicating anything like it ever existed while after the ''invention'' of said thing suddenly sparks a HUGE influx if mentions of said thing should raise suspicion as to if if was actually done before the aforementioned ''invention''

Edited September 13 by SnapJelly

[Asatar]

2 hours ago, SnapJelly said:

you keep focussing on the name... I keep telling you that no matter the name we would be able to look at the recipe and tell if something is a sandwich no matter what it's called.
what's with this obsession over the name? the name is not important...

the configuration of two slices of bread with either meat or cheese in between, retard. This is the point of the argument, that this configuration or something reminiscent has existed well before the 18th century. Your entire argument only establishes that we don't currently have a surviving medieval European description of someone making a sandwich. It does not establish that nobody ever put food between two pieces of bread. MEDIEVAL EUROPEANS didn't depict/illustrate/write every single recipe in every single possible configuration of their recipes because it simple wasn't that important at the time with most literate people working int he service of the elite

2 hours ago, SnapJelly said:

wrong: the oldest surviving cookbook dates back to 1730bc, we have plenty of cookbooks from the medieval period and they included specifically what the poor people relied upon for survival, so quite literally what mundane combination of ingredients every day people ate.

This is just proof you are agruing for something based on speculation, if you were actually interested in historical cooking you would know this, the sources are publically avaiable, you can just google them.

"You didn't name these cookbooks, therefore they dont exist". That is how you sound like. Retarded. I should reiterate MEDIEVAL AND EUROPEAN and I can ONLY ASSUME you are talking about a bablyonian/mesoptoamian cookbook made for the Babylonian Palace, and not for the everyman babylonian? We also dont have historical documentation of everything that everyone ate. Therefore by your logic, that means people never ate anything didn't written or depicted it AND have their work survive to the modern era? Goofy ah lil jit logic

 

2 hours ago, SnapJelly said:

Well the exact same argument could be made in the opposide direction; why would you assume anything happened if there is absolutely 0 evidence for it? Just because it COULD HAVE been true? Based on what? Your own bias? That is ridiculous.

I will repeat it once again, hopefully you'll get it this time: us not giving a name to a certain thing has no merrit on if it exists or not, however us not having a single indication or description or drawing or anything else of the sort indicating anything like it ever existed while after the ''invention'' of said thing suddenly sparks a HUGE influx if mentions of said thing should raise suspicion as to if if was actually done before the aforementioned ''invention'' 

You are demanding positive historical evidence for something, while treating the absence of that evidence as positive evidence that it didn't happen. For whatever reason you are continually refusing to acknowledge this. By your standard, if a medieval European source doesn't describe or depict something, we should treat its existence as inherently suspect. That's obviously not how historical evidence works dipshit. Medieval European maps and texts did not contain a comprehensive inventory of everything that existed in the world. For example, the Americas were not represented on the standard medieval European conception of the world only appearing after the voyages of Columbus. No reasonable person would therefore conclude from that that the Americas didn't exist before Europeans documented them. Goofy ah lil jit

Likewise, I'm not claiming “sandwiches definitely existed in medieval Europe.” I'm saying that the absence of a surviving recipe, description, or depiction does not establish that nobody ever performed the extremely simple act of putting food between two pieces of bread.

1/10 try again. Goofy ahh jit literally arguing that if a "tree falls in the forest and no one is around hear, it doesn't make a sound" Heads up, it does in fact make a sound and does so without anyone there to observe or "record" that tree

Edited September 13 by Asatar

[Asatar]

To further my point, the discussion for the history of sandwiches. The Earl of Sandwich only popularized the concept, never invented it. And it seems somehow others besides me came to the same conclusion

https://www.quora.com/How-come-sandwiches-were-only-invented-in-the-18th-century-John-Montagu-when-its-nothing-more-than-food-between-2-slices-of-bread-things-that-had-existed-for-centuries

https://www.reddit.com/r/Cooking/comments/pa26bg/food_history_how_come_the_modern_sandwich_was/

to quote a user within the thread

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What the earl did was he legitimised a dish and an eating culture which was usually seen as lower class amongst the upper classes, hence why it got his name...

Afer the sandwich had been popularised and christened after the one who introduced it among those circles, as every cultural phenomenon back then, this name was then embraced by the general populace, and so they began calling this dish, which was not a novelty to them, a sandwich.

And another user writing

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Bread is a fundamental part of most cultural history and the idea of using it as a wrapper or container for food makes sense to the point where it's more likely that bread has served as some type of holder for food in some type of configuration in the sandwich family so often that it's considered just not something worth writing down.

 

just to dab on you harder

https://tonyboysnj.com/sandwiches/history-of-sandwich/

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It’s crucial to remember that the idea of utilizing bread as a vehicle for other components wasn’t wholly original. It wasn’t just created by Montagu. It’s a concept that’s really as old as time and has existed for thousands of years. For millennia, people coming from many different various cultures have used bread as a temporary dish or eating container. For example, gyros and pita were popular foods among the ancient Greeks, while kebabs and flatbread were popular in the Middle Eastern civilizations thousands of miles away.

 

https://www.pbs.org/food/stories/history-sandwich

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Though the Earl of Sandwich (or, perhaps, his cook) deserves credit for helping sandwiches gain a name and popularity, variations of the concept have been around for centuries. It's difficult to pinpoint exactly when or where they first appeared. Farm laborers in rural France had been eating meat between sliced bread long before it had a name, though the sandwich likely started even earlier than that.

This proves the point that no one really cared giving a "sandwich" a name until the Earl popularized it. 

The point, no one cared to name the configuration of "meat between two slices of bread" until the 18th century, because it was so brain-dead simple that it really didn't deserve a name. It is preposterous and ludicrous to claim that components of a modern sandwich, sliced bread, meat, were not assembled into a sandwich configuration until the 18th century.

And finally physical evidence of a modern sandwich configuration from a 10th century Arabic poem "Meadows of Gold" By Nawal Nasrallah. My only concession is that it isn't european but doesn't detract from fact that it is entirely feasible. The poem reads.

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You, seeker of delicious food, take a couple of fine breads, round and thick (jardaq),

The likes of which no one has seen, Slice off the top crusts, so that you make them thin.

Spread on one, finely minced young chicken and birds of judhāba,

delectable and delicate, which a mere puff would melt.

On this arrange lines of almond intersected with lines of walnut.

Let its dots be cheese and olive, and its vowels mint and tarragon,

So that it looks divided as if by stripes, white as milk, and multi-colored silk of Yemen (washī) resembles

Now take boiled brown eggs, and with their dirhams [egg white] and dinars [egg yolk] the wasṭ adorn.

Give your lines a dusting of salt, but not much, just what it needs.

And inspect it with your eyes for a second or two, for the eyes have a share in it, too.

Look at it appreciatively until your eyes have their fill, then cover it with the other bread, and eat it with joy

Sink your teeth into it and earnestly bite, thus you hastily demolish what you have compiled.

I DUNNO BRO THIS KIND OF SOUNDS LIKE A SANDWICH TO ME. I also realized too, the author of this "recipe" doesn't event give the dish a name (likely because no one gave a shit naming it). I'd suggest you actually read these historical cookbooks, apply some basic critical thinking or go back and rewatching Tasting History lil bro. Unlike some people (you), historical peoples didn't need explicit instruction for "placing meat between two slices of bread" nor did they feel it necessary to make art of sandwiches, or give such a thing a name.

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[River Oak]

Imagine risking a forum ban over sandwiches. Good Lord, calm down.

[ArgentLuna]

bagels

[Facethief]

5 hours ago, River Oak said:

Imagine risking a forum ban over sandwiches. Good Lord, calm down.

Reading through this, yeah, I don’t know if I want sandwiches in the game if they get people so heated.

[OBAMFSpike]

On 8/29/2026 at 5:50 AM, Kulze said:

First we gotta have yeast, 

Too easy! Its in the air you breath, the dirt you walk on and the water you drink. Naturally occurring and just a few days away from letting your dough ferment. Leavening is what I believe the old timers called it yet Im not certain of WHEN they started doing those. Uh, it is in The Bible though so I think the fourteenth century is okay for implementing leavened bread. 

Can we do Pizza though instead? 

Ill make a deal, lets put two of em together and we can call it a sammich and VIOLA! 

The Expanded foods mod and Culinary Arts does add a lot I will say. Ive grown partial to soups with aged beef as traits perks are alright in my book. 

[Asatar]

6 hours ago, River Oak said:

Imagine risking a forum ban over sandwiches. Good Lord, calm down.

Yeah, I admit I got angry. But, when midwits try to apply "historical accuracy" to things they know nothing about, it really boils my blood. And to be frank, if I get banned, I get banned. No skin off my back

 

At least we all now we know, historically speaking, yes people may have constructed something akin to a "modern sandwiches". And the reason we have little to no depictions of it's existence before the 18th century may really just be because medieval peoples really never gave a shit about naming it or documenting it. And claiming that as simple as sandwich couldn't exist until the 18th century due to lack of any written record, illustrations, or carvings is intellectually dishonest

In english we don't have a super, special, name for "crackers with cheese" because the name is self explanatory and NORMAL AND WELL-ADJUSTED people will understand what you mean when you say "cheese and crackers" there are no serious modern recipe books that will dedicate any amount of pages, let alone waste the ink, to write down for a recipe that will ultimately read "1. place one piece of cheese upon one cracker. 2. repeat until satisifed" 

To circle back, should a sandwich be added to the game? SURE! But, probably better left up to a mod if you HAVE to have a sandwich. But now, not only is construction of a modern sandwich "historically feasible", there is now an element of "historical accuracy" to it. And frankly people who dont know what they are talking about shouldn't use "historical accuracy" as a crutch

 

9 minutes ago, OBAMFSpike said:

Can we do Pizza though instead? 

Ill make a deal, lets put two of em together and we can call it a sammich and VIOLA! 

The Expanded foods mod and Culinary Arts does add a lot I will say. Ive grown partial to soups with aged beef as traits perks are alright in my book. 

yo, that's what I am saying. This dude gets it. I'd be down for flatbreads and pizzas in game

[OBAMFSpike]

Im going to forever change how you know cheese and crackers. 

Order a THIN crust pizza and hold the sauce. 

Had a diabetic buddy that was lactose intolerant too and he'd order THIN crust pizza with no cheese. Once a mistake was made and we got one without sauce. Both are very interestingly delicious as an out of the box idea for Za. 

VINTAGE STORY ROCKS

[SnapJelly]

16 hours ago, Asatar said:

you are acting retarded

 

15 hours ago, Asatar said:

retard.

 

15 hours ago, Asatar said:

That is how you sound like. Retarded.

 

2 hours ago, Asatar said:

midwits

Such eloquence

[Kulze]

Eh, I'm not sure about the portion of it not being mentioned because nobody gave it a name. It's more in the line of... yeast.
Hardtack as a sandwich tastes awful, and since formerly yeast simply wasn't known to exist as 'yeast' and people simply went ahead to repeat tasks since they knew 'this provides a specific outcome' it likely led to a limited prevalence of yeast-cultures existing reliably, often dieing out and ruining the respective baker/cheesemaker/winemaker

But it generally being done? I'm all for possible technology especially in terms of food being implemented in the game.
I would especially be for yeast, creating 'moist' short-term storage bread. But while all very immersive... it also poses a major issue as food in VS sadly isn't very 'functionally advanced'. There is no reward to making more complex meals.
This is something which has to change simply, which is why I proposed some form of buff overall based on food complexity as well as food variety.

My suggestion there has moved over towards a singular system which makes the player gain a farm of 'action speed'. Hence movement being mildly increased, healing speed, mining speed... and so on. For combat it can also be animation speed for swifter attacks and recovery hence.
Obviously this buff needs to be relatively mild, but acquisition should increase based on quality of food and the last ingested types being tracked by satiety. It could simply be called 'well fed' and then apply up to a 3% buff of action speed at the absolute top from a single meal-type, likely by tracking the last 10000 satiety ingested, with adding a specific food-type only when it surpasses 500 calories ingested from it, which brings it up to a max potential when perfectly managed to 20 meals affecting it.
This would lead to a max 60% buff if done perfectly, with only the most complex types of food... and plainly spoken... this won't generally happen, the effort is too much. So for the average player it would likely stay in the 5-10% range which has no major effect, but allows to put effort with actual reward into it while still needing to take care of nutrient-split for HP.

Then we could implement things like casseroles, soft bread, pizza, sandwiches and more, together with further tools for cooking, like a roasting pan, skillet and so on as it wouldn't be just bloat but instead functional increase together with vastly more immersion.
A large undertaking and not important, but all for such a direction, however it would look like in realization.

[OBAMFSpike]

Isnt this all used in one of the mods Expaned foods or Culinary Arts?

Edited September 13 by OBAMFSpike