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Incidentally, the reason the thread is so long is that it's not one thread so much as it is 10+ threads all merged into one. While it is a little annoying, it does keep the conversation in one appropriate topic, rather than have the Discussion page cluttered up with several different threads about the same thing(and thus drowning out threads discussing the actual game itself).

It depends on the game and level of cheating involved. For a game like VS, frequent server backups and whitelists stop most of it, I think, along with active admins paying attention to suspicious player behavior. In the event a server does have problems with rampant/constant cheating, moving to a different server would be option, but in VS it's a lot more inconvenient due to the time it takes to actually progress through the game(not to mention leaving behind friends, potentially). In any case though, if cheating starts to become more widespread in the community, it starts serving as a deterrent to new players thinking about buying the game, and can cause current players to get frustrated enough to leave.

One thing I've come to love about the game is that the days are 48 IRL minutes long. That's enough time to log in, tinker around and have some fun, before logging back out and going back to working on chores or whatever other mundane thing I was doing previously. It's not much, but it breaks up the monotony of chores enough that I can focus a little better to get more done(although this strategy isn't foolproof either).

Perhaps. But the general setting is medieval. I'm not saying that medieval people couldn't have worn cat ears and tails, but...that is not where my head goes when things like cosmetic ears and tails are mentioned. That's a fashion accessory of certain modern sub-cultures, and something that works much better as a mod than part of the vanilla game. Now if it was an armor accessory? Sure. Same as a full pelt worn as some sort of cape.

Honestly, I think this is the kind of thing better left to mods, or left as simple animal masks like what we already have implemented in the game. Otherwise, it feels too much like fantasy or anachronistic items.

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Or people telling me that "No, you can't hold that opinion or feel that way because it's WRONG and I said so! You have to think XYZ way instead, which is the only correct way" without much evidence at all to back them up. Like okay...no. I'm not keen on just taking someone's word for it, especially if it's someone I'm not at all familiar with. Show me some facts, so I can review the evidence myself and arrive at an informed conclusion. I might change my mind, but then again I might not. Even if I don't change my mind, there will at least be more information out there for others to use to form more informed conclusions of their own.

Important to note that there is a distinction between this, and simply making a decision that some of your customers don't like and offering them a refund if they'd like to take the money they spent to businesses that they trust more. Anego Studios falls solidly into the latter camp, based on the official announcements. If they didn't care about anyone's opinions, I highly doubt they would have given as much information in their statements as they did, let alone offered refunds to the unsatisfied regardless of when said customers made their purchases.

You're not missing it. At this point, I'm not expecting one either. Well, outside of a recap when everything settles down, anyway. It's definitely something that needs improvement in the future. Not that I want to see all the drama on the forums either, but the forums do operate at a slower pace than say, Discord, so it's a little harder for people to react emotionally in the heat of the moment. As for why there's been no official forum post, I'm not sure. I have some guesses on that, but given how bloodthirsty and prone to wild speculation certain parts of the community seem inclined to be, the last thing I want is to go voicing those thoughts and inadvertently have someone take it out of context and use it as an excuse to play telephone and fan the flames further.

Again, do you have proof that what you claim actually happened? This tells me nothing. If we don't need to prove a claim is real before we act on it, then what we have is mob rule and people making all kinds of claims just to get benefits for themselves and punish those they don't like. It's the internet. Which is notorious for people claiming to be things they are very much not.

Where are these accounts, and where is the proof Maltiez tampered with the game code itself? Just because someone accuses him of something, doesn't mean he did it. Tyron made it very clear that whatever is intended to go into the vanilla game goes through a very rigorous review process. Those who have submitted pull requests to Anego Studios have also confirmed just how rigorous this process is. This is also just common sense and standard operating procedure when it comes to professional software development, no matter who is writing said code--you check things thoroughly before you ever ship it to the customers. Sure, no one has to take Tyron's word for it, but in that case those who don't trust the people running the company are better off taking the offered refund and just...not doing any more business with people they clearly don't trust. If you're trying to ensure he never touches the code again, I'd think you'd also have to fire anyone he's remotely associated with in order to ensure he doesn't slip through by proxy. Which is one reason that I don't think just firing him actually satisfies the angry mob that's after him.

Stripping away his mods, banning him from creating more mods, and keeping him on a much tighter leash is still holding him accountable. For many in the community, that's enough. For those who demand harsher punishment though, or who hold personal vendettas against the guy for whatever reason, that's obviously not going to be an answer they're satisfied with. They're free to disagree, and politely express as much, but at this point a good chunk of the disagreement isn't really polite, as much as it is a bunch of people upset that they didn't get what they want and trying to form a mob to force Anego's hand or otherwise start fights with those who have different opinions about the verdict. That's where it stops being simple disagreement and starts becoming a problem.

I'm okay with it. I'm not going to ask for a refund--I have no reason to--but I feel most other companies wouldn't be offering refunds in situations like this. They'd offer some bland corporate apology but keep your money.

Maybe instead of trying to build anti-cheat into the game, we just leave it as-is and instead create a master blacklist of known cheaters? Servers can "phone home" to check this master list and bar those usernames from entry; this feature would be enabled by default, but servers could opt out at their own risk. All you need at that point is an official channel for server owners to report cheaters. Reports should include hard evidence of the cheating, such as server logs and screenshots. Users that are on the blacklist can still play singleplayer games without issue, or play with their friends via opening a singleplayer world to LAN or whatever, but they won't be able to play on servers themselves unless the servers opt out of the blacklist.

As a native speaker, your use of quotations marks is grammatically correct.

I know, but I do want to add a few notes to the mix here: As far as I can tell, the worst thing that happened to affected players is their game client crashed when using certain mods, and it was somewhat difficult to pinpoint the cause of the crash. At worst, an affected player is spending maybe a few additional hours of troubleshooting and needing to go through the process more carefully in order to figure it out, but this is also just a basic aspect of modding life. Is it frustrating? Yes, but in the grand scheme of things, it's more akin to the mild inconvenience of getting stuck in traffic than it is someone trying to brick your equipment or steal your information. Incidentally, this is also why the TOS of any game that allows mods makes it clear that the user assumes the risk and responsibility for what could happen to their system by using third-party software. I don't even think that would enough for the mob, to be honest. They would just find another target to take out their anger on. Plus if the precedent has been set that people can get what they want as long as they are loud and angry enough, regardless of the facts, then they will happily go start accusations against other people they don't like in order to punish those they have personal hatred against. In any case, it's fine to be disappointed in Anego's response, but at that point if you're still unhappy, the best course of action is to politely state as much and then vote with your feet/wallet, since Anego is offering refunds. If you don't want to do business with them and don't trust them at all, there's really no point in continuing to linger on their services. I mean...this is why so many other communities--videogame or otherwise--get such a bad reputation. Anyone who's been in the gaming/nerd space for very long can probably list a good handful without much effort. Vintage Story has been something of an outlier when it comes to the standard game community, since it has a rather diverse set of views from its players and most of those players can civilly disagree with each other and still get along relatively well. I'm not so sure that could be said now though, given how portions of the playerbase seem to be intent on acting in the wake of this incident.

A lot of threads got merged together into one megathread, I would assume to tidy up the forum so that there's not twenty different threads about the same thing clogging up the page. Do the spots look like places images used to be? It's possible that those are comments that got moderated, but it's also possible that the images contained in those comments got deleted from the user's profile cache(there is a limit on that and the cache will need to be cleared from time to time), in which case they won't show up any longer in the comments they were posted in.

We're not at that stage thankfully(and hopefully never get to that point), but there are definitely similarities between what happened with that incident and what's going on now. And it's a very good example of just how destructive internet mobs can be.

Were you using some kind of modded wood for the planks before? There could have potentially been a soft mod incompatibility there, I suppose. The more likely cause, I think, is that you encountered the pesky little crafting bug that sometimes renders things uncraftable--you'll see the item flash in the output slot before disappearing, and won't be able to actually craft said item. The fix, in my experience, is just reloading the world. Did you perhaps exit the world and take a break from playing when you ran into the problem, and started a new session later?

The Watersheds mod might help, but I don't know how nicely it will play with RiverGen.

Interesting. I wonder if this isn't planned already, just unimplemented, since left-clicking with the rod while the line is cast will snap the line with a cracking sound effect. Either way, that does sound like a system that would be pretty fun to play with.

In my general observations, giving in to the mob doesn't actually shut it down as much as it just teaches people that they can get what they want by force rather than debate. Whoever was targeted will still continue to get dragged through the mud, just maybe not to the same extent as before unless they step back out of line.

Some kind of simple ruin that contains a skeleton with a broken pickaxe clutter item, and a single diamond as loot.

Welcome to the forums! Having an explanation of what this is supposed to look like in Vintage Story would help tremendously. Rust, Project Zomboid, and Twilight Princess might be fairly popular game titles, but that doesn't mean that everyone is familiar with their mechanics(I for one am not).

The poll doesn't prove it's 50% of the fanbase. All the poll shows is that 50% of the people who voted think the guy should be fired. What the poll doesn't show is whether or not those people actually own a copy of Vintage Story, and whether or not multiple accounts that belong to the same user are voting. Otherwise, I agree that disappointing 50% or more of a fanbase is no small action. But just because a large group of people demands something doesn't automatically put them in the right. It doesn't mean that they're wrong either, but setting a precedent for mob rule is a very dangerous thing to do.