Vintage Story: Adventure Mode

[Maelstrom]

16 hours ago, Echo Weaver said:

I just hope Tyron isn't getting pissed off and considering going back on the whole plan. 

I think he's just frustrated with a bunch of relatively new people to the community spouting off; acting like they know a thing or two about stuff they know absolutely nothing about (primarily how workload is handled). 

Frankly, I am frustrated too.  That's why I decided to stop responding to those posts, mostly coz I don't like what I see coming out of myself in my responses to them.

[CastIronFabric]

58 minutes ago, Maelstrom said:

I think he's just frustrated with a bunch of relatively new people to the community spouting off; acting like they know a thing or two about stuff they know absolutely nothing about (primarily how workload is handled). 

Frankly, I am frustrated too.  That's why I decided to stop responding to those posts, mostly coz I don't like what I see coming out of myself in my responses to them.

Well speaking personally, I am not interested in this other project given what few things we know about it.

From my view as long as I have access to the stable version of today and as long as the Dev community keep having all previous mod versions available then I am all good. Big changes always comes with risk. Keen did EXACTLY the same thing with Medieval Engineers. Multiple great streaming shows have been completely changed due to a writers change.

 

Maybe if I knew more details about this other game I would be interested but for me the word 'RPG' in the modern context almost always mean 'story focused' which I could not possibly be less interested in. 

Edited July 8, 2025 by CastIronFabric

[CastIronFabric]

17 hours ago, Echo Weaver said:

I just hope Tyron isn't getting pissed off and considering going back on the whole plan. It's a great plan, and when it gets going, it will generate a lot of excitement.

I don't think I could handle working in game development for this very reason. You pour your soul in to building something that is explicitly supposed to be fun for people, and then you get this kind of pile-on whenever you discuss your ideas in any open-ended way.

everyone keeps refering to this 'great plan' I would like to know more details. All I know thus far is

1. more RPG focused

2. more high fantasy focused.

3. aesthetic change.

Speaking personally I have zero interest in any of those. I am not complaining I am just saying I plan to stick to 'classic' VS, thanks.

[corred]

Also engine work that will help both games

[LadyWYT]

8 hours ago, Tyron said:

I slept over this, there are indeed some sparks of truth in the criticism, even if worded in a very confrontational manner. I might be overly paranoid over adding more team members to the core team. There are some possible roles within the team that should not require much oversight / communication if clearly laid out. Either way, we can do both. I will discuss it with the team. 

The new mode will definitively happen nonetheless because its the right thing to do. Thanks again for everyone's feedback, but please remain kind and civil with each other.

 

 

Do whatever you need to do. You and the rest of the team at Anego have done a great job so far!  I'm happy with the money I spent on the game, and look forward to what else you guys are cooking up.

[Maelstrom]

54 minutes ago, CastIronFabric said:

Well speaking personally, I am not interested in this other project given what few things we know about it.

From my view as long as I have access to the stable version of today and as long as the Dev community keep having all previous mod versions available then I am all good. Big changes always comes with risk. Keen did EXACTLY the same thing with Medieval Engineers. Multiple great streaming shows have been completely changed due to a writers change.

 

Maybe if I knew more details about this other game I would be interested but for me the word 'RPG' in the modern context almost always mean 'story focused' which I could not possibly be less interested in. 

Join date 1/25/25 - check.

You do not have anything to worry about.  From Tyron's own lips the new folks will be separate and independent of the main VS development that exists before the "Hytale" group was conceived.  That other group may develop something (probably a game mechanic) that could benefit the main VS development that will be incorporated into the main game.  This has happened in the recent past.  In 1.20 the map went to a sephia toned map where before it was full color.  That change was from a mod developed in 1.18, iirc.  You haven't been around long enough to see that kind of thing happen.  So take if from us old farts that you have nothing to worry about.

[Cingal]

I paid for Vintage Story, and I would appreciate if the entirety of the funds I provided go towards the development of the product I paid for. Whilst I wish you all the luck in the world on this new endeavour, I simply know nothing about it. I don't particularly have much interest at this current moment in time. Nor do I expect to experience this new product without an additional fee, and so, I can't really support the idea of using the funds provided by people who want Vintage Story going towards this other project. 

This may to some seem overly harsh. It's not my intention. I think Vintage Story is great. Making more games like Vintage Story could be great. I think your team is great, and I think Tyron himself is great and has produced a very enjoyable video game. I have no criticism aimed at the skill of anyone involved. I have no complaints of the conduct thus far, I find the ideology towards development very admirable.

I understand that growing a studio is not easy. I know the realities of game development mean that you can't be entirely accountable to your players and you can't produce itemised lists of expenses and tell them exactly what they're helping develop. This isn't a criticism of bad accounting. Nor is it an accusation of "Taking the money and running" or failing to deliver a product in a reasonable time. It's completely understandable the given the success of Vintage Story, these funds would be reinvested into the studio, and certainly from this it's reasonable to assume new projects would be developed. 

However. The elephant in the room is simply that Vintage Story is not finished, and that's fine. I'm not accusing anyone of lacking in their development of the project. I purchased this knowing full well that this was a long-haul, and I'm sure my financial contribution towards the project is but a meagre one. I'm not here to demand that having given you my $40 that you're therefore bound to my beck and call. But, that doesn't mean it doesn't feel a little wrong to be talking of newer greener pastures whilst the project is still unfinished.

I feel the fear from a lot of people is simply that what is being said here is effectively:

"I'm going to double my own work load, take some of the capital raised by Vintage Story and develop a new project. This won't have any effect on Vintage Story and everything is going to be great."

And, unfortunately this is a level of trust that a lot of developers have abused in the past. Steam Early Access is a graveyard of abandoned projects which were used as nothing more than a leapfrog to developer a "Bigger project". There's numerous games who've treated customers like "Backers" and told them they're in it together, only to use that money to develop cash shop items to resell back to the same "Backers" that paid for them to be developed in the first place. Even amongst the very large studios, Fortnite Save the World is a mere abandoned footnote compared to Fortnite Battle Royale.

I'm not saying that this is the direction Vintage Story is going, or accusing anyone of anything underhand. But, I am saying that many people are pretty weary to this sort of behaviour and trust to deliver on the promise of "A new project won't take away from the existing one" is extremely low. 

As it is, I think Tyron and the team have proven themselves capable of developing a very good game. However, and I don't mean to be disrespectful, you have yet to prove that you can finish the game. And that's kind of a big problem when you're talking about starting the development of a new game. You're asking us to trust you, and I'm sure there's many that will. But for many of us, it's simply too much of an ask because we're been here too many times before. Myself, I honestly think that a new project presents any number of reasons for why Vintage Story may slow down development, and I think that's unfair. I think if the new project is significantly more successful focus will pivot towards it. I think if the new project is more interesting (Which it undoubtable will be at first) then you won't balance the projects equally, and the new project will get more focus. 

I wish the best of luck with it, I really do. I wish I had the optimism to believe that this is a good thing. But if you pull it off you will be the exception to a pretty notable trend. And as it is, I think it's going to take a pretty consistent update schedule which continues to add significant content for the game, for the foreseeable future before any fears of this new project taking focus away will be absolved. 

 

[Voldemort]

40 minutes ago, Maelstrom said:

Join date 1/25/25 - check.

 

Not everyone is Redditor 

[Thorfinn]

33 minutes ago, Cingal said:

I paid for Vintage Story, and I would appreciate if the entirety of the funds I provided go towards the development of the product I paid for.

Oh, rest assured, it did. $20 doesn't go very far when you start writing paychecks. Or paying the unbelievably high bandwidth of ModDB.

I do sympathize with players who have these fears. Somewhat, anyway. And it doesn't just happen in games. It is way too commonplace in tech sector. You've been conditioned to be cynical. And conditioned to think of games as just games, not systems. Those who can't or won't avail themselves of the opportunity to learn how flexible this framework is are putting themselves in the situation that they have to just trust. And that is understandably difficult.

[CastIronFabric]

1 hour ago, Maelstrom said:

Join date 1/25/25 - check.

You do not have anything to worry about.  From Tyron's own lips the new folks will be separate and independent of the main VS development that exists before the "Hytale" group was conceived.  That other group may develop something (probably a game mechanic) that could benefit the main VS development that will be incorporated into the main game.  This has happened in the recent past.  In 1.20 the map went to a sephia toned map where before it was full color.  That change was from a mod developed in 1.18, iirc.  You haven't been around long enough to see that kind of thing happen.  So take if from us old farts that you have nothing to worry about.

like I said. 

Pretty much word for word what Keen said about Medieval Engineers. 

Now to be fair the project that got hurt was not Space Engineers it was Medieval Engineers.

Regardless of all of that, as long as I can download various major stable releases of the game up to this point then I am fine and not concerned. I am also however just not interested in this other project. I have not read anything specific that I find personally compelling for me.

 

Another example is 7 Days to Die. I love that game, I played it for about 1500hrs but once they started making major changes by adding Perk system and the like then I really really really no longer enjoyed the game, but as long as I can still download the older versions I am all good. I can not control what happens in the future, sometimes things go well, sometimes they don't but I sure do like being able to download previous versions

Edited July 8, 2025 by CastIronFabric

[Tyron]

Sigh. Two sides throwing insults at each other doesn't help, lads. At this point its better to lock the thread.
 

1 hour ago, Cingal said:

There's numerous games who've treated customers like "Backers" and told them they're in it together, only to use that money to develop cash shop items to resell back to the same "Backers" that paid for them to be developed in the first place

I agree, that's stupid. Should the new mode become its own thing, then every VS player should be getting a free copy. 

1 hour ago, Cingal said:

However, and I don't mean to be disrespectful, you have yet to prove that you can finish the game. And that's kind of a big problem when you're talking about starting the development of a new game.

Fair enough. I must try harder then.