Sprint = double click walk key !

[DrEngine]

Add standard control of sprint by double click and hold walk key. Today solution with extra shift key for sprint is an ergonomic nightmare !!! It wastes another key. If you have walk+sprint for example W+S it wastes one key and causes handconvulsions when pressing two keys with one finger. If sprint-shift key is key pressed by different finger e.g. thumb, you waste another key and moreover you block your thumb key for another function (typically jump/crouch).

PLEASE Tyron, add it please !!!!

[Hal13]

please only optional, if at all.

two keys are easier to use in a precise matter.

 

btw. who presses shift with their thumb? (okay mumbo jumbo does, but even he sees that it's unpractical) anyone who needs to type regularly and/or much knows to use the left pinkie for ctrl, shift and caps-lock.

Edited December 30, 2020 by Hal13

[DrEngine]

13 hours ago, Hal13 said:

please only optional, if at all.

two keys are easier to use in a precise matter.

 

btw. who presses shift with their thumb? (okay mumbo jumbo does, but even he sees that it's unpractical) anyone who needs to type regularly and/or much knows to use the left pinkie for ctrl, shift and caps-lock.

Haha...  First: shift-key doesn't mean it should be real shift key . "Shift" function could be mapped to another key. And second: not everybody uses standard keyboard for gaming. What about gamepad ??? Like Nostromo Speedpad or Razer or others ?

But ok: what real keys do you use for sprint ???

[Hal13]

actually i use the default keys in most games

And only use a gamepad if the game was made for them (most of the time not even then).

ctrl for sprint and shift for crouch/sneak makes sense for me (in MC and VS) as you can hold it relatively comfortable with your pinkie for a long time, in other games crouch on ctrl is more useful, as you have some stamina mechanic in them or maps are smaller or you need to crouch more often than you need to sprint.

But maybe a toggle option instead of holding the button might be an option? like MC introduced in 1.15

Edited December 31, 2020 by Hal13

[DrEngine]

I think the doubleclick walk key=sprint is the best option. You can easily precise control what to do. But add it as an option to turn it on is obvious (I don't want to spoil another players experience).

Why you don't use gamepad? It's much better then keyboard and some of them are programmable. I use Nostromo n52te. It's much better than keyboard from ergonomic point of view. 

https://www.google.com/search?q=Nostromo+SpeedPad+n52

[l33tmaan]

I remember back when gamepads were giant clunky monsters with joysticks and suction cups! 
That sure looks a lot nicer than what we used to have.

[Wave]

40 minutes ago, DrEngine said:

Why you don't use gamepad? It's much better then keyboard and some of them are programmable. I use Nostromo n52te. It's much better than keyboard from ergonomic point of view.

Better than a keyboard... until you need to hold Shift to sprint!

I'm actually a big fan of Shift sprint in Vintage but having more keybinding options is rarely a bad thing, and even when it is, it's only because of poor execution or mismanaged resources. I think the Vintage team would do a great job with it, but I wonder how easy it is to implement for them.

[DrEngine]

17 hours ago, Wave said:

Better than a keyboard... until you need to hold Shift to sprint!

I'm actually a big fan of Shift sprint in Vintage but having more keybinding options is rarely a bad thing, and even when it is, it's only because of poor execution or mismanaged resources. I think the Vintage team would do a great job with it, but I wonder how easy it is to implement for them.

 Yes, definitely better even with need to hold shift to sprint! No need to be sarcastic!!! I respect your position. Do you respect my opinion ?

[Hal13]

I wrote i use gamepads but meant gamecontrollers (sorry for the confusion), but only when the game is meant to be played with them, which most first person games are not, even when they did try to keep playing via controller in mind.

mouse and keyboard, if set up correctly, are not less ergonomic than most controllers i had tested, but tbh i would never pay nearly €100,- for something that limited in use like that gamepad you linked to.
i use my setup for between 90-120 hours sometimes even more a week and don't get any problems with it.

interestingly afaik, even most games that are meant to be played with controllers seem to not use double tab for sprinting but pressing a second button, oh and there are no games meant to be played with gamepads like the one you linked to, as their marketshare is nearly zero. and with more older people (yes 40+ isn't that old but it's far from what used to be the main market for video games in the 90s) getting into gaming i don't see they will implement such a thing.

 

And you don't respect the position of people playing via keyboard, you only tolerate it, else you wouldn't argue against doing it and trying to evangelize keyboard users.
respect is about accepting the choices other people make without feeling superior to them or the constant urge to get them to change their way.

 

On 12/31/2020 at 5:35 PM, l33tmaan said:

I remember back when gamepads were giant clunky monsters with joysticks and suction cups! 

aren't they still giant clunky monstrosities? maybe without suction cups. but other than the old ones which were rather inexpensive, todays can easily cost more than a lowtech pc.

Edited January 1, 2021 by Hal13
corrected an estimate

[Wave]

9 hours ago, DrEngine said:

 Yes, definitely better even with need to hold shift to sprint! No need to be sarcastic!!! I respect your position. Do you respect my opinion ?

I do. I do not intend to offend you! All in good fun. Different people have different ways to play games - that's why I believe that having more keybinding options is always a good thing.

[DrEngine]

11 hours ago, Hal13 said:

And you don't respect the position of people playing via keyboard, you only tolerate it, else you wouldn't argue against doing it and trying to evangelize keyboard users.
respect is about accepting the choices other people make without feeling superior to them or the constant urge to get them to change their way.

 

I definitely respect it. Let everybody use what he wants. No problem for me. I only would like VS team add an option for sprint - doubleclick walk key. I use it in MC for years.

[Hal13]

sorry i may have been a bit more defensive then originally intended.

As said more options to customise keybinds are always good.

[DrEngine]

Hal13: no problem. I spoke too much about my gamepad too. Have a nice day Hal...

[Setimu]

Going to necro this thread rather than posting my own.

After a week off work, playing VS a lot and using shift to sprint (toggle sprint option on even), my joints are very upset with me.  Shift sprint works great when I'm not binging a game but even with taking breaks and doing stretches my hand is very sore from all the pinky-ing I'm doing.

I'd like to see the original suggestion of the double-tap run or even an auto-run, like a true togglable sprint.  You press "sprint" one time and are always sprinting until you press "sprint" again.  Traversing blocky terrain and having your "toggled" sprint cut out because you stopped moving, and having to press it again and again is murder on my poor joints.  I would like to see this option with "sneak" too, and then especially when I want to use my mouse cursor, rather than holding Alt the whole time.  Press it once to engage, press it again to disable, just like your Caps Lock button works.

I've considered other keybinds for sprint but I can't find any that are more comfortable and not already spoken for by other commands... My hand hurts but I must VS.

EDIT: corrected typo

Edited March 18, 2021 by Setimu

[Thalius]

I'd be in favor of having the option in settings to turn on a setting that allows for the pressing of a key to toggle sprint or sneak on and off.  Not a fan of the idea of double tapping the walk key in order to run. Some situations call for a much greater control over the sprint mechanic.

I've also often thought that an auto walk function would be fantastic. Maybe double tap the walk key to activate the auto walk mode. 
I'd give a hearty thank you to the devs for that one.

~TH~

[l33tmaan]

This game needs an auto walk mode.

[DrEngine]

Thread necromancy.....

I was very excited to see "Toggle sprint" option in settings. However it's not what I though. "Toggle sprint" key activates sprint when pressed with walk key and can be released while sprint is active until you release walk key.

VS dev guys !!!!!!   Sprint is the most used function when playing your game (I think so). And ergonomy rules says what? Most used functions should be accessible by simple operation. Why "Sprint-shift" key? WHY ???

Can you PLEEEEEEASE !!! add option that "Sprint-shift" key is "Walk-shift" key ??? So if I press and hold walk forward I sprint, and to walk only is necessary to use "Walk-shift" modificator key???

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE  !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Yeetiee]

15 hours ago, DrEngine said:

Sprint is the most used function when playing your game (I think so).

IDK about you but constant sprinting in caves seems like a pretty bad idea to me. There is also the hunger issue where you burn more calories during sprint. 

[Maelstrom]

I see both perspectives.  Make sprinting a toggleable setting.  Activate sprint mode and release the key(s) but continue sprinting until sprint mode is de-activated.  Also leave sprint mode as a deadman switch as it currently is for those situations it is needed, like caving.

[Kasasagi]

Plz I need this
I am not coordinated enough for my left hand to keep track of and press 2 keys at the same time every time I want to move a little faster than normal, especially with Ctrl being far enough away from WASD on my computer that if I hold it and W at the same time, I physically cannot also hit the A key. To put it simply, it's an awkward hand position

Also, you can bind your sprint control to W + W, so it's already quite easy and intuitive to set your bindings to what this would be, but it just kinda makes it so you run all the time

All I ask is that changing your binding to that would make it behave like Minecraft's double click to sprint system. Till then.. I guess I'll just have to bind it to one of my thumb mouse buttons. But man.. having it be double W is so intuitive