Teh Pizza Lady

Correct! Also a valid choice. No worries. I found myself recently doing the same thing I was accusing others of doing so maybe we all need to eat a bit of humble pie and just let this whole thing blow over. BTW, I live in the USA. What country are you from?

It's because the book wasn't thrown at him that makes me think there's more going on that we realize, which is why I'm careful to state the facts around this situation and not delve into speculation. Clearly something is going on, but NONE of us here have a clue because we aren't intimately involved with the finer details. We can suppose, infer, predict, and even wish REALLY hard, but none of it matters until evidence proves otherwise...and the lack of evidence is really the limiting factor here. NONE of this is to say that your concerns are invalid, but that they must fit into the known facts of the case which are that: Maltiez did a bad on the ModDB Maltiez got banned from the ModDB Maltiez got handslapped by his boss And that's pretty much it. Also known facts, not relevant to the discussion, what Maltiez did could be a terminable offense for some employers, his own expressed intentions were to shutdown the cheat mod development (which he succeeded), Maltiez does not speak for Anego Studios as a whole, and @Michaloid likes waffles. Do you prefer them with fruit and whipped cream or butter and syrup? And if the latter, which kind of syrup? There is a correct answer here, btw and you will be judged for answering poorly.

I'm out of reactions for the day, so pretend I gave you a cookie for this comment.

Plus you aren't literally losing an entire month just to find and explore the Resonance Archive...or am I the only one who does this without talking to the trader first?

Yeah, I get that. This one of those instances where I said exactly what I meant and expected everyone to take it at face value. Silly neurotypicals reading between the lines. For what it's worth my 9 year old is a very upstanding and respectful person and has really challenged me in a lot of ways to think differently and approach problems and issues with an open mind so being compared to him is a compliment if anything... I jest, but what I said about him is true. The problem is that I can't take back what I said. I can only try to explain my intended framing. I can't help it if people refuse to accept my explanation because they've already chosen to be offended by everything I say. Probably time for me to exit stage left and go back to lurking.

See: You can read whatever you want into it. I was just literally saying that I recognized that you seemed like you weren't being heard so I took a similar approach that I take with my kid which is to stop, back up, listen, acknowledge, and then move on. It's a sort of "reboot" tactic that is used with people of all ages to get them out of their rut and help them move forward with their thoughts and emotions. You chose to read it the other way by being emotional about it. I can't really help you with that except to acknowledge that you feel strongly about this and I'm sorry that you've decided every response of mine to you is a personal attack. I'm just trying to be logical about this so if my rejection of emotion feels like a rejection of you, then I have no words except to again, say I'm sorry and try to move on. I just followed your arguments to their logical conclusions as a literary point to demonstrate the absurdity of what you were saying. That's a debate tactic called reductio ad absurdum in which you provisionally accept your opponent's premise, then trace out its logical implications until you arrive at a conclusion that's obviously false, self-contradictory, or absurd, which shows that the original premise is flawed and must be rejected. The whole field of glass argument was the same reductio ad absurdum with a rhetorical-question delivery. I took your stated principle ("Maltiez must be punished", which you then declared wasn't enough when he got his hands slapped) and pushed it through to asking "What would be enough, this extreme that obviously won't ever happen?" It served a dual purpose: First to expose the absurdity of wanting someone's life potentially ruined for a mistake and second to expose the shifting goalposts you have had throughout your entire arguments. Turns out I was listening from the start. I just tend not to engage with those who can't debate in good faith.

They could be melted down but let's math this out... 20 nuggets to make an ingot 1 ingot makes 9 arrow heads. with some extra waste Yeah that maths out.

Nobody addressed it because it wasn't pertinent to the matter. I only said something about it because after repeating it so often, it made me realize that it was something weighing heavily on your mind and you didn't feel heard on the matter. So I paused, let you speak your piece, acknowledged it, and moved on. I have to do this all the time with my 9-year-old because he will beat a topic into the ground until you think it's dirt if he feels like no one is listening to him. So I listened. What I didn't do was change my mind. I still don't think it has anything to do with how Anego should have treated Maltiez. The reason we have so many forum posts is because we've been around long enough to see the different perspectives and discuss them in a healthy manner. Implying that we haven't looked at or considered other perspectives is a pretty big miss on your part. The problem with those other perspectives is that they rely on personal emotion getting mixed into the matter and thus those perspectives, while valid to the person seeing things that way, are not relevant to the issue at hand, which demands that personal emotion be removed from it entirely. That is why we reject your opinions and substitute our facts. We've seen it all, experienced it all, and can probably explain it to a 5 year old, which is Neil DeGrasse Tyson's litmus test of true understanding of a topic. And reframing your "call out" as a call for people to think is exactly what a call out does. You think you're being nice and having good intentions, but you came in here with the preconceived notion that everyone with a bunch of forum posts wasn't capable of thinking about others and hearing their thoughts when the exact opposite couldn't closer to the truth. If anything you were projecting. Anyway I hope this helps you understand why some of the forum giants around here aren't all that amused with what you said.

The only problem with that is that block breaking, I believe, is shared between players so two players can mine the same block at double the speed.

I don't know why, but here's a picture of a wet beaver.

They were told be be upset. So they are.

Well I'm sorry you don't work for a company like Anego, then. I've done ... things that would have ended my employment at wherever it is you work, but wasn't a terminable offense where I worked. Heck I once went AWOL because I had a death in the family and I was forgiven for it and just placed on strict monitoring to ensure I was actually doing my job. All you had to say was it was malware. It was malware. That's crossing a line. There I said it. It was... "vigilante" malware... but still malware nonetheless. Clearly you haven't done your research on me or you'd know that I know that and have admitted it multiple times in this thread. Look, we get it. You want him fired because you would be fired for the same thing, we get it. If you got fired would your life be ruined? That's how resumes and gaps in employment history even works. You get fired, you must look for a new job. You cannot find a job in a reasonable amount of time, employers start asking "Why this gap in your resume?" Oh I got fired from my last job because of something I did before I even started working there. The customers voted and said either I go or they start asking for refunds that the company already offered. That would be a life-ruining event in his case. Why do you want that for him? Maybe that's the better question. Either way we've both said our pieces. It's time to move on.

And nobody is doing that here. They're just trying to reinforce the facts apart from your own hyperbole and inability to grasp that the decision has already been made and we hope and pray Anego doesn't give into the mob mentality floating around here.

I address that here:

Also why is Tyron being forgiving towards Maltiez a bad thing?

Author also seems to have been forcibly vacationed since they just kind of... stopped talking.

The main thread is this way:

It's necessary hyperbole because... wait, I nearly forgot... oh right, you just want his life ruined in other ways, which is what happens when people get fired from their jobs. The facts are, you'll get #1, #2 isn't happening any time soon and #3 is just asking for a fake apology which means nothing. Maltiez already agreed to step away from modding and to remove himself from the VS discord, which is a major part of the community. He wouldn't have agreed to that if he thought he was right. Innocent people don't lie down and roll over when accused of wrongdoing. I don't take what you're saying at face value because you're arguing in bad faith. You've already requested a refund. Why are you still here? As soon as you get it, your forum account will be deactivated anyway. At least I can infer what people actually mean from what they say to an extent.

I'm sorry? I thought that's what we were doing: ignoring facts and real arguments and making outlandish claims. That seems to be the trend here.

Or you could accept that they have the tools and manpower to actually test the mods on the ModDB and verify whether Maltiez's code would have blocked any of them and trust that their conclusions are accurate. Tyron's post didn't downplay the situation, it just presented updated facts. ConfigLib crashed the game on only 3 mods which he listed. Maltiez was not an official spokesperson for the company. What he said wasn't the voice of the company as a whole. If you are unhappy with the game, they don't want to keep your money. Where are you getting the dismissal from? Oh right because he didn't also announced that Maltiez was dragged through a field of broken glass before being dipped in salt water for his transgressions? Is that it?

No, what's concerning is that we DO see the line that has been crossed and trust Anego to make the right call with the benefit of the game in mind and that you act like buying it in early access gives you a parasocial relationship in which Tyron and co actually give two rat poops about what any of us think of their decisions. They're making the game they want to play. We're just here along for the ride. Time to grow up and accept that the decisions have been made and they didn't align with what you thought was right. I'm getting so fed up with people assuming they know what I think and how I feel about this when their assumptions are WRONG and directly contradict what I've already said before!

or the developer left the studio to pursue other employment for their own reasons, however the developer still loved making things for the game so took up modding. Nothing weird about that. You're inventing scenarios that don't exist surrounding the facts of configLib and Anego's decisions surrounding it all.

from my understand, the cheat mod was exploiting the server's trust that the client couldn't change it's own authorization level or ask the server to do things that a normal player normally couldn't do. This really just needs some heavier server-side authentication of client actions and forcing a disconnect if the client tries to do something outside of normal gameplay.

I would have less trust in Anego if they fired Maltiez now because it shows they are capable of being swayed by their fanbase's opinions. And if I can't trust them to avoid mob votes, then I can't trust them to make good decisions when it comes to the trajectory of the game.

I saw Gandhi in my toast this morning and you can't prove I didn't, so it must be true. see above