Regarding the impact of the crashcode put into ConfigLib and the needed clarification and explanation of the code for layman understanding

[Foolsirony]

8 hours ago, LadyWYT said:

Incidentally, this is usually why the ban hammer ends up coming down so harshly sometimes. When the community remains calm, there's not a need for strict moderation, because most everyone is being civil and you don't have a bunch of wild speculation leading to fights and rumors.

Just my two cents but this is a very slippery slope when said like that. Based on what I know of history, the side that has to justify things using language like "if only they were calm" or "we wouldn't have to do it if you just settled down" usually isn't remembered favorably.

Regardless, not my rodeo so I'm content to watch things from the sidelines. However there is one thing that actually bothers me about the official response. It was posted to Reddit (and probably Discord) but not the official forums. It says to me that they want to calm down the loudest in the places that have the most reach, not their core fans that use their official forums. It should have been posted here first or at least at the exact same time. It's the main thing that has me wary since that's like PR 101, post official responses in all places and don't forget your own official forums. 

[Stellarbone]

1 hour ago, HalfAxd said:

Sorry, but no...  you are not the community and you don't speak for me.

If you don't like something, then you have the right to leave.

At this point the rabble rousing is beyond absurd.

Please say your peace and go.

Never said I spoke for the whole community. 

Telling people who want things to get better to leave is a poor take. 

The rabble rousing is absurd, it never should have gotten this bad. 

Its piece. Say your piece and go. 

[kosan]

34 minutes ago, Diff said:

I could really reflect your request for half-reasonable claims here... These are not at all similar situations. NPM, PyPi, and Go are the exact same story as the ModDB. Entirely unreviewed. By anyone except the users. Go is especially egregious to include because it doesn't even have a centralized repository of any kind, you can upload to any public URL on the entire internet as long as it responds the way the Go expects. I think it's a special header or a query parameter or something.

Linux distros are a closer analogy to this, and there are instances of maintainers going evil. But in the instances I'm aware of, they were trusted maintainers who didn't get their contributions reviewed at all, so we're back to being unreviewed here.

We're not talking about the ModDB, which Maltiez is no longer present on. We're talking about the main VS codebase. Every line of code that gets submitted to VS gets reviewed by Tyron. These are flatly not the same situations, so yes, a one-person validation turns it into "no-chance" by virtue of it being a binary difference between "completely unreviewed" and "reviewed by a minimum of one person but sometimes more." How are you going to smuggle "accidentally" setting ClientMain to null past anyone with functioning eyes, let alone eyes that are scanning for multiple criteria?

There is also the concern that the single person reviewing his code now has minimized the scope and impact of what was done - not once in the official statement was it outright stated that Anego considers distributing effectively malicious, hidden, obfuscated code as unacceptable, unprofessional, or otherwise a bad thing(tm) - instead it fully deflects the issue and weaves a story where the intent was to prevent cheating, and nobody else was affected (which is known to be false).

The only thing I get from the statement is that the only problem here is that he was caught. So effectively, the fact that his code is reviewed before submission by someone who, as far as I can see, agrees with the sentiment that "the end justifies the means" is of no salvation to me.

Further compounding my concerns about Maltiez in this situation is that, in my experience, modders that feel slighted by the community or other devs/modders have been known to escalate their retaliation, not reduce or reform. Especially when the person in question feels they were right, and did the right thing - regardless of what others think, which Maltiez has made clear a few times.

[icesharkk]

I am severely disappointed with Tyron's response.  He spent 1/3 of his statement justifying the actions against the cheat dev, 0% of it is accountability for the impacted collateral damage, plans to continue employing the malware dev. that's it folks. I cannot with integrity fight back against the popular sentiment of "malware story". i hope the door hits my ass on the way out.

the only good thing is that maltiez's loses access to moddb and his mods will be transferred to custodianship other than maltiez. The latter doesn't matter the community already forked the code. that's a nothingburger solution. The former is good because we cant trust maltiez. unfortunately he is being retained to contribute on the base game but with oversight. "We have decided to retain the fox who ate your chickens, he no longer has access to the yard. He will however continue to have access to the henhouse. but with oversight!" 

I cannot in good conscious continue promoting this game or hosting servers for this game at this time. Three other unrelated communities I'm in have been referring to VS as malware story. I wont be sticking my integrity out by correcting anyone spitefully calling it malware story. That is the legacy wrought by these decisions

[KekkusMaximus]

1 hour ago, Cicadas said:

What genuinely has protected my servers and my community, is vetting and vouching for each other. Removing people who break our community rules. Self community moderation and building. Not vigilantism.

This is probably one of the things that enrage me the most about this whole debacle.

Maltiez justified their blatant disregard of both the community and the developers with the need to supposedly "protect game servers from cheaters" (even tho they themselves admitted of doing it more to mess with specific people rather than to protect the community at large) with something that is essentially incapable of actually doing that because it sets a delay between detection and repercussion, something that is reasonable to do in anticheats but that is fundamentally ineffective as an anti griefing measure since it leaves ample time to the cheater to do whatever they want with their cheats.

As always community servers need to focus on the actual solution to this kind of issues, which is building a solid community that is self immunizing against problematic individuals.

Maltiez essentially pushed malware down our throat because they thought they knew better and when it was made clear to them that what they did was having consequences outside of the intended scope, and not in a good way, their reaction was to feign superiority while throwing mod authors under the bus and calling the community toxic.

And Anego chose to keep this person within their dev team.

And somehow we should be fine with that? No thanks.

Edited September 4 by KekkusMaximus

[River Oak]

>The official response wasn't posted on the official forum.
I'm disappointed but not at all surprised.

[Diff]

I also wish the false positives had been mentioned. In truth, we don't know how widespread these false positives were. Mods are third-party code of unknown quality, and mods do just crash. Null Reference Exceptions in particular are the classic mystery meat crash, and they're the kind of crash that ConfigLib provoked. We do have at least one confirmed case of a mod caught in the crossfire, Caves N Caverns, due to it obfuscating its code. Speculating a touch, if CNC's 1000 downloads were enough to blow the lid off this, it does suggest that false positives were not common... But I feel that's the limit on how far you can reasonably minimize this issue.

Ultimately, we don't know how widespread the false positives really were, and that itself is part of the problem. In a vacuum of information, a lot of crashes are now getting pinned on ConfigLib. Is it true? Were these crashes also mixed with random game inputs and disconnects, all consistently between 2-9 minutes after assets loaded? We don't know. Nobody that's claiming ConfigLib kicked their cat is going that far into depth with it. And the announcement only continues that vacuum of information. I'm personally fine overall with the VS team's current path forward, but that's the complaint I have with the announcement.

Edited September 4 by Diff

[IAmMoss]

I think Tyron's response is fine. they aren't public relations experts, and im going to give the benefit of the doubt and say he just forgot to add details, as i still trust the dev team. I don't think he was justifying maltiez's actions. He very clearly called his actions foolish. Hes also leaving the community nearly in every way as well as will be heavily scrutinized, which is fair in my eyes.

 

In regards to maltiez, i honestly can't say i'm surprised. He's a very sanctimonious person and absolutely does not care about what any one else thinks, refuses to answer honest questions, etc, etc. if his current mods are safe to use then the past is the past. They are great mods, and i hope they are kept at least functional by the dev team, or whoever they decide to hand them off too. That being said, at least temp banishment from the community is fair. I hope maybe one day he stops and realizes he was in the wrong.

[Teh Pizza Lady]

2 hours ago, icesharkk said:

I am severely disappointed with Tyron's response.  He spent 1/3 of his statement justifying the actions against the cheat dev, 0% of it is accountability for the impacted collateral damage, plans to continue employing the malware dev. that's it folks. I cannot with integrity fight back against the popular sentiment of "malware story". i hope the door hits my ass on the way out.

the only good thing is that maltiez's loses access to moddb and his mods will be transferred to custodianship other than maltiez. The latter doesn't matter the community already forked the code. that's a nothingburger solution. The former is good because we cant trust maltiez. unfortunately he is being retained to contribute on the base game but with oversight. "We have decided to retain the fox who ate your chickens, he no longer has access to the yard. He will however continue to have access to the henhouse. but with oversight!" 

I cannot in good conscious continue promoting this game or hosting servers for this game at this time. Three other unrelated communities I'm in have been referring to VS as malware story. I wont be sticking my integrity out by correcting anyone spitefully calling it malware story. That is the legacy wrought by these decisions

That's kind of where I'm sitting mentally at this point. I will still play the game and I'm confident that moving forward the team will improve, but right now, it's not in a good place and there's nothing that we, as normal players of the game, can do about it except to vote with our wallets if we feel that's necessary. This pains me because it hurts the company, but sometimes things must be done for the greater good. I'm sure Maltiez would understand.

Edited September 4 by Teh Pizza Lady
clarified something.

[IAmMoss]

On 9/3/2026 at 4:50 PM, Stellarbone said:

The cost of keeping Maltiez is the trust of the community. He's shown his hand, his only remorse was being caught. It's bad enough the dev team knew and Tyron didn't talk about any of the false flags or Maltiez's response in his official response, but keeping a lying ai techbro on the team is too much. 

AI tech bro? what is this in reference too?

He has no access to the code. What he did was wrong, and his reactions to him being caught are rather sanctimonious. That being said, As a Maltiez hater (as much as i like his mods, he's an ***hole), i feel he does not need to be fired. Reprimanded? banned from db? definitely. from what i've seen, he's just an advisor tho. 

Edited Sunday at 12:07 AM by IAmMoss

[williams_482]

22 minutes ago, Diff said:

I also wish the false positives had been mentioned. In truth, we don't know how widespread these false positives were. Mods are third-party code of unknown quality, and mods do just crash. Null Reference Exceptions in particular are the classic mystery meat crash, and they're the kind of crash that ConfigLib provoked. We do have at least one confirmed case of a mod caught in the crossfire, Caves N Caverns, due to it obfuscating its code. Speculating a touch, if CNC's 1000 downloads were enough to blow the lid off this, it does suggest that false positives were not common... But I feel that's the limit on how far you can reasonably minimize this issue.

Ultimately, we don't know how widespread the false positives really were, and that itself is part of the problem. In a vacuum of information, a lot of crashes are now getting pinned on ConfigLib. Is it true? Were these crashes also mixed with random game inputs and disconnects, all consistently between 2-9 minutes after assets loaded? We don't know. Nobody that's claiming ConfigLib kicked their cat is going that far into depth with it. And the announcement only continues that vacuum of information. I'm personally fine overall with the VS team's current path forward, but that's the complaint I have with the announcement.

This is what's bothering me.

There's at least one highly upvoted comment in the reddit announcement blaming ConfigLib for crashes they allegedly spent hours debugging, but other users pointed out that the crashing behavior they described could not have been caused by ConfigLib. All we have to go on to understand the scope of the collateral damage here is guesswork based on a combination of crude statistics (very few downloads for confirmed conflicting mods, a long time between the malware going in and anyone connecting it to a legitimate mod crashing) and the host of people operating entirely on vibes, blaming ConfigLib for any crash they don't currently have a good explanation for. 

Some people erroneously blaming ConfigLib for crashes it didn't cause is totally unsurprising: mods causing crashes is a fairly common occurrence especially with the huge modlists many folks run with, and crashes are frustrating things that can be very difficult to debug. 

It's possible that ConfigLib actually did cause some real damage ("bricking" saves, for example) to innocent users, which would justify some of the vitriol flying around. My suspicion is that this alleged damage is being harped on specifically to justify the rage folks were already feeling, not because of any strong evidence that it happened, but I have no way to know for sure. 

[LadyWYT]

1 hour ago, Foolsirony said:

Just my two cents but this is a very slippery slope when said like that. Based on what I know of history, the side that has to justify things using language like "if only they were calm" or "we wouldn't have to do it if you just settled down" usually isn't remembered favorably.

Welcome to the forums! You're not entirely wrong here, however, do note the latter part of my post:

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That doesn't mean that it's not okay to be upset at what happened or raise concerns about it. There's just a big difference between politely raising concerns and starting fights with those who don't hold the same opinion on the matter.

In other words, it's perfectly fine to criticize Anego Studios and express frustration, and one can be calm/civil while expressing such. What's not okay is running around whipping the community into a frenzy, starting fights with other users, and generally being abusive towards those you don't like/disagree with. And based on my general experience and observations, that tends to be why the ban hammer comes down. Tensions run high, people don't think clearly, and some outright break the rules and don't care.

[Diff]

2 minutes ago, williams_482 said:

It's possible that ConfigLib actually did cause some real damage ("bricking" saves, for example) to innocent users, which would justify some of the vitriol flying around. My suspicion is that this alleged damage is being harped on specifically to justify the rage folks were already feeling, not because of any strong evidence that it happened, but I have no way to know for sure. 

Hadn't seen that one floating around, but your gut feeling is right. To accidentally corrupt a save, just crash mid-save... But AdditionalStuff.cs only crashes in multiplayer games, where the client isn't the one handling saving at all. And the same line that bails out on single-player games also bails out if it's not running on the client side. No accidental save corruption should be possible.

[LadyWYT]

2 hours ago, Vratislav said:

I honestly believe this is not final statement on the situation. There was explanation and apology that I personally consider mostly acceptable. Still, the clarification was not responding to the the case of false positives, whose victims should deserve specific apology or some kind of compensation (if possible).

This is my general thoughts on the matter too, though excluding compensation for the false positives simply because...well, I don't really know what would be appropriate for individual compensation, or how to sort out the legitimate false positives from those who are only taking advantage of the situation and claiming to be such.

I do raise an eyebrow at keeping Maltiez on board, as that's a rather bold move. I'm not sure I would make the same decisions if I were in Tyron's seat, but that's not to say that my decisions would be better either. We'll see how it plays out. As far as I'm aware, Maltiez is just in an advisory role, which is very different than handling the code itself, and Tyron himself reviews the code before it ever ships to players, so I'm not particularly worried about something slipping through the cracks(aside from the usual pesky bugs).

Regarding Maltiez's mods, I am happy about the custodianship thingy. It's one of the least disruptive options when it comes to the modding community, and to me at least it's better than trying to rely on forks that were, quite possibly, made out of spite.

The only thing I'm not particularly happy about is the fact that, at least at the time of writing this post, there has been no official announcement on the forums. I'm not really sure why that is, and it's possible that it got forgotten in all the kerfluffle or maybe just lost in the ether. But I avoid Discord(outside of talking to friends), and I don't trust Reddit at all, so the forums are the primary place I rely on for VS news, and I'm sure I'm not the only one.

3 hours ago, Vratislav said:

Although I see it will be not good enough for many. I am not very sure if there even exist a response that would satisfy people, who want see the blood. I understand that various VS players have various values and differ in judging particular actions. There are people who value quality of the game more, there are people who value honor and purity of all contributors, there are people who have strong belief in particular principles that were clearly breached. Just for this reason, not everybody may be even theoretically fully satisfied with any outcome of this crisis. 

Pretty much also how I see it, sadly. Ultimately, I think the game will be fine, though it's probably going to lose a chunk of the community over it(at least, I would be really surprised if the community didn't shed several players). Though I also don't think there's any response Tyron could have possibly given that wouldn't result in a chunk of the community leaving. It's definitely going to be rocky for quite a while, so like I said earlier--bold moves, we'll see how it all pans out.

[A_British_Lass]

maltware retaining his employment after distributing malware and revelling in the fact is insane, anego do better 

[Vyh06]

EXACTLY, this is not nearly as big as what people are making it out to be, a lot of people are just overreacting and overexaggerating

[Sparticus247]

I'm going to keep playing and recommending the game.

Use mods at your own risk people, it was bound to happen eventually. Also don't be surprised if there is worse stuff out there that hasn't been caught yet. I am very picky about mods for this very reason.

[Khondza]

1 hour ago, LadyWYT said:

This is my general thoughts on the matter too, though excluding compensation for the false positives simply because...well, I don't really know what would be appropriate for individual compensation, or how to sort out the legitimate false positives from those who are only taking advantage of the situation and claiming to be such.

I do raise an eyebrow at keeping Maltiez on board, as that's a rather bold move. I'm not sure I would make the same decisions if I were in Tyron's seat, but that's not to say that my decisions would be better either. We'll see how it plays out. As far as I'm aware, Maltiez is just in an advisory role, which is very different than handling the code itself, and Tyron himself reviews the code before it ever ships to players, so I'm not particularly worried about something slipping through the cracks(aside from the usual pesky bugs).

Regarding Maltiez's mods, I am happy about the custodianship thingy. It's one of the least disruptive options when it comes to the modding community, and to me at least it's better than trying to rely on forks that were, quite possibly, made out of spite.

The only thing I'm not particularly happy about is the fact that, at least at the time of writing this post, there has been no official announcement on the forums. I'm not really sure why that is, and it's possible that it got forgotten in all the kerfluffle or maybe just lost in the ether. But I avoid Discord(outside of talking to friends), and I don't trust Reddit at all, so the forums are the primary place I rely on for VS news, and I'm sure I'm not the only one.

Pretty much also how I see it, sadly. Ultimately, I think the game will be fine, though it's probably going to lose a chunk of the community over it(at least, I would be really surprised if the community didn't shed several players). Though I also don't think there's any response Tyron could have possibly given that wouldn't result in a chunk of the community leaving. It's definitely going to be rocky for quite a while, so like I said earlier--bold moves, we'll see how it all pans out.

i kinda disagree with the "Though I also don't think there's any response Tyron could have possibly given that wouldn't result in a chunk of the community leaving" part. unless there are some Maltiez super fans i don't know about it seems like after this he has no good will left from the community especially with his response.

I think the most indefensible parts are that Maltiez apparently just blurted out what they where doing in internal chats and somehow no action was taken on this??? even if the code had been already removed having done it in the first place is still breaking the terms of use for the mod-db and cause enough for the ban. unless Maltiez was speaking in riddle or something.

[Teh Pizza Lady]

10 minutes ago, Khondza said:

i kinda disagree with the "Though I also don't think there's any response Tyron could have possibly given that wouldn't result in a chunk of the community leaving" part. unless there are some Maltiez super fans i don't know about it seems like after this he has no good will left from the community especially with his response.

I think the most indefensible parts are that Maltiez apparently just blurted out what they where doing in internal chats and somehow no action was taken on this??? even if the code had been already removed having done it in the first place is still breaking the terms of use for the mod-db and cause enough for the ban. unless Maltiez was speaking in riddle or something.

I can't speak for the Lady but I think that's what she meant when she said that there isn't any response that he could have given. Either Tyron didn't know and should have paid better attention in which case fans of the game are unhappy, or he did know and let it slide in which case fans of the game are unhappy.

[LadyWYT]

24 minutes ago, Khondza said:

i kinda disagree with the "Though I also don't think there's any response Tyron could have possibly given that wouldn't result in a chunk of the community leaving" part. unless there are some Maltiez super fans i don't know about it seems like after this he has no good will left from the community especially with his response.

I'm not thinking about "Maltiez superfans" as much as I am thinking that the guy could be fired, and there'd still be people insisting that more heads must roll or whatever because just firing one guy isn't enough. Because there are a few that will accept nothing less than complete scorched earth.

 

24 minutes ago, Khondza said:

I think the most indefensible parts are that Maltiez apparently just blurted out what they where doing in internal chats and somehow no action was taken on this???

As far as I've been able to figure out, there were internal chats, in which Maltiez said some things that were a little odd, and probably should have prompted more investigation. And he doesn't seem to have been entirely honest when he was discussing his code either. But I can also see it as...if you don't have a reason to be suspicious about someone, you're not necessarily going to be inclined to jump to conclusions and assume that they're up to no good. Likewise, it's difficult to investigate something that you aren't even aware of. And if there are other things going on at the time--either at work or in your personal life--then it's also pretty easy to get distracted and fail to notice things you ordinarily would pick up on. 

And all of the above isn't to say that everyone needs to be okay with how Tyron handled it or needs to continue trusting Anego Studios or whatever. That's up to each individual to look at the facts and decide for themselves what they wish to do. It's a messy situation whichever way you cut it, and there's going to be a lot of differing opinions about it as well. And that's perfectly okay.

12 minutes ago, Teh Pizza Lady said:

I can't speak for the Lady but I think that's what she meant when she said that there isn't any response that he could have given. Either Tyron didn't know and should have paid better attention in which case fans of the game are unhappy, or he did know and let it slide in which case fans of the game are unhappy.

Pretty much. I've been running through all the "what-ifs" I can possibly think of, and there's not really an "optimal solution" where a chunk of the community doesn't just up and leave. Or at least, not one that I can think of.

Edited September 4 by LadyWYT
Grammar

[Khondza]

2 minutes ago, LadyWYT said:

I'm not thinking about "Maltiez superfans" as much as I am thinking that the guy could be fired, and there'd still be people insisting that more heads must roll or whatever because just firing one guy isn't enough. Because there are a few that will accept nothing left than complete scorched earth.

 

As far as I've been able to figure out, there were internal chats, in which Maltiez said some things that were a little odd, and probably should have prompted more investigation. And he doesn't seem to have been entirely honest when he was discussing his code either. But I can also see it as...if you don't have a reason to be suspicious about someone, you're not necessarily going to be inclined to jump to conclusions and assume that they're up to no good. Likewise, it's difficult to investigate something that you aren't even aware of. And if there are other things going on at the time--either at work or in your personal life--then it's also pretty easy to get distracted and fail to notice things you ordinarily would pick up on. 

And all of the above isn't to say that everyone needs to be okay with how Tyron handled it or needs to continue trusting Anego Studios or whatever. That's up to each individual to look at the facts and decide for themselves what they wish to do. It's a messy situation whichever way you cut it, and there's going to be a lot of differing opinions about it as well. And that's perfectly okay.

Pretty much. I've been running through all the "what-ifs" I can possibly think of, and there's not really an "optimal solution" where a chunk of the community doesn't just up and leave. Or at least, not one that I can think of.

I see what you mean, the only hypothetical way i could see to please everyone is to show what he said in the chats to clear Anegos name and even then i know for a fact a portion of the community would still not accept that. I dont think any dev team wants their internal chats open in the air for people to see so i don't imagine Tyrone putting his folks out to dry like that. I wouldn't if i was in his position

 

Honestly im still up in the air if keeping  Maltiez on the team was a good choice or not. on one hand its an awful look for Anego that someone can go around having a crash script in there mods hitting random people (even if accidentally) and be working on the game. On the other hand if the work they do helps the game reach its final vision throwing them out would only really hurt the development of the game. i imagine only like >1% of the player base even know this is going on right now tbh.  Maltiez should go buy a lottery ticket because they are so luck to still have a job lmao.

 

The only thing i could really expect to happen is maybe another post about the people effected "we are sorry about your servers crashing blah blah blah" the current response is just kinda "here is what happened here is what we are doing". some people want nothing short of a humiliation ritual so it wont appease anyone but it could help those who spent hours trying to debug their servers to at least know the team at least sympathies with whats happened.

[greed23]

1 hour ago, Sparticus247 said:

I'm going to keep playing and recommending the game.

Use mods at your own risk people, it was bound to happen eventually. Also don't be surprised if there is worse stuff out there that hasn't been caught yet. I am very picky about mods for this very reason.

"Use mods (that were created by the most prolific modder who is evidently trusted by the first party studio enough to be hired by them) at your own risk, people."

Its like people defending Anego right now are intentionally ignoring the fact that this isn't some random modder.  This was a dev, employed by Anego, putting malware in a mod for software he was working on.  This wouldnt be at all a PR issue for Anego if they did the right thing and fully fired Maltiez.  As of right now, they refuse to acknowledge the code meets the definition of malware and they've effectively done nothing but stop him from posting on the discord.

[ShifterInTheShadows]

6 hours ago, HEX526174 said:

The way this currently looks? I want a refund tbh.

I second that statement.

[Vaoth]

7 hours ago, Diff said:

Genuine question, what are you seeking here? What would you feel is appropriate compensation for your videogame crashing intentionally?

He is no longer on the ModDB. He is no longer capable of uploading any mods at all. He is not and has never been capable of merging code into main directly.

As one of the server owners affected by this (you can see my crash report in the Radio mod, one of the confirmed affected mods, here), what I would like to see is at least official acknowledgement of the false positives and an apology for the lost troubleshooting time, as well as potential risk of lost world progress, given how the crashes kept happening for hours even after uninstalling the radio. Not because of any world corruption of course, but in the case I had needed to restore a server backup (luckily it didn't come down to this).

It is understandable Maltiez may not be terminated of his employment due to local labor laws or the nature of his contract with Anego, which I am clueless about. In any case, I would also love if measures were taken to make the moddb safer, by (1) making it mandatory for all mods to be open source and (2) using checksums to make sure the compiled binaries uploaded to moddb are the same as the ones compiled from the provided source code.

In any case, I trust Anego's code review and approval process and I have no concerns about this sort of thing happening in the VS vanilla code.

[icesharkk]

1 hour ago, Khondza said:

I see what you mean, the only hypothetical way i could see to please everyone is to show what he said in the chats to clear Anegos name and even then i know for a fact a portion of the community would still not accept that. I dont think any dev team wants their internal chats open in the air for people to see so i don't imagine Tyrone putting his folks out to dry like that. I wouldn't if i was in his position

 

Honestly im still up in the air if keeping  Maltiez on the team was a good choice or not. on one hand its an awful look for Anego that someone can go around having a crash script in there mods hitting random people (even if accidentally) and be working on the game. On the other hand if the work they do helps the game reach its final vision throwing them out would only really hurt the development of the game. i imagine only like >1% of the player base even know this is going on right now tbh.  Maltiez should go buy a lottery ticket because they are so luck to still have a job lmao.

 

The only thing i could really expect to happen is maybe another post about the people effected "we are sorry about your servers crashing blah blah blah" the current response is just kinda "here is what happened here is what we are doing". some people want nothing short of a humiliation ritual so it wont appease anyone but it could help those who spent hours trying to debug their servers to at least know the team at least sympathies with whats happened.

the question people should ask themselves is if this had happened before maltiez was hired do you think any dev studio, including Anego, would have hired him knowing the illegal thing he did to their user base and that he is already banned from their moddb in perpetuity.

Edited September 4 by icesharkk