Tyron Posted Saturday at 04:00 PM Report Posted Saturday at 04:00 PM Dear Extraordinary Survivalists v1.22.0-rc.1, a unstable release, can now be downloaded through the account manager. In this update we focused on cramming as much new content into one update as we possibly could. Reminder - the "rc" in the version number stands for "release candidate" which means our team's focus will now shift to bugfixing and game balancing until stable. Expect some level of jankiness still. Rivers and Sawmills did not make it in time for 1.22 unfortunately (they are still in progress) but even without these, this update is possibly the largest we ever made in terms of game content. Enjoy! Special thanks to community members devpikachu, sneezerstein, jayu, urm, Remilia (@Lazula on github) and tehtelev for contributing code to the 1.22 update Can I start playing 1.22 now? We are decently confident that your old worlds will not break. Please wait with upgrading your old worlds to 1.22 until we fixed newly introduced worldgen issues. Even so, we highly recommend making a backup copy of your 1.21 worlds before upgrading the game to 1.22. If you want to be on the safe side, wait until 1.22.0 stable. And if you tried out our earlier pre-releases, continuing a 1.22.0-pre world is not recommended. v1.22 still unfinished / known issues The large bellows cannot yet be powered through the mechanical power system. There are z-fighting and clipping issues with the new clothing for the seraph and trader. Some of the trader clothing combinations are too random. The new dynamic dungeons will not drop when broken and some parts are unfinished. Various other minor issues. Screenshots of new additions since pre.1 Added the first iteration of dynamic dungeons to Survival mode Fully reworked Trader models Added many new clothing sets for the player Full reworked berry bushes Game updates Everything listed in the pre.1 post plus everything below Feature: A first, proof-of-concept fully dynamic dungeon now spawns in Survival mode. They appear far apart from each other, roughly every 1500 blocks Feature: Fully reworked trader models. Added climate specific clothing for traders Feature: Added many new clothing sets to be found, traded or crafted. (WIP) Feature: Fully reworked berry bushes. Pre-1.22 berry bushes are now legacy blocks: they will no longer be available in the Creative inventory, but any in existing worlds are still functional blocks in-game Fully reworked models Can only be propagated by taking a cutting with a knife which when planted takes 6 to 12 months to mature into a new bush Berry bushes require fertilization or they will stop bearing fruit. Berry bush nutrient use tapers off by 15% per year (resulting in about 5% use after 20 years). Some bone meal each year should be enough to give you a decent harvest A handful of rare traits will be added in the next release candidate - traits propagate to the cutting taken Flowering/Ripening behavior still mostly similar to the old system Feature: Added 'ruined' torch holders. They will hold torches, but if broken will not drop themselves Feature: Can now mount shields on wall mounts Feature: Some fish - arapaimas, pike, piranhas, and sheatfish - may attack players if cornered. Red-bellied piranhas are especially aggressive towards injured players Feature: Hematite and Limonite nuggets can now be used for cave art and writing, in colors 'red ochre' and 'yellow ochre' respectively Tweak: Players are now visible on the map up to 1000 blocks away or if in a shared group, by default Tweak: Player map markers will show the supporter color, like player names in chat Tweak: Held/dynamic light range now better corresponds to placed light range (experimental!) Tweak: Increase dynamic lights detection range from 60 to 120 blocks Tweak: Add a bit of extra brightness near a held/dynamic light source Tweak: Lightning flash visual tuning. Lights up the world from a greater distance and a bit more realistically Tweak: Cleavers now have a non-functional 'head' item like most other tools, and must be combined with a stick to make the complete tool. Also revised the cleaver model to have 1:1 pixel scale (previously was 50% scale) Tweak: Quern shows grinding outputs on handbook page Tweak: Tuned seraph idle animations Tweak: Can now add linings or change the color of glass for small lanterns in ground storage Tweak: Added fish bones item, which is functionally equivalent to existing tiny bones (cannot be used for handles or in armor) but looks fish-appropriate. Tweak: Added new ground crafting sounds, for scraping soaked hides with knife, trimming small or medium scraped hides into parchment using shears, carving a bone into a flute, removing the head from a bear pelt, and sawing a raw longbow stave into a raw recurve stave using a saw Tweak: Copper roofing grid recipe yield doubled, except that tips are now individually made from a single copper plate Tweak: In the Handbook, for materials created by grinding, show the quern in "Created by" section Tweak: Breaking blocks adjacent to and below water flow, may now cause the water to flow into the newly made gap Tweak: The Devastation Tower elevator now prevents falling through when going down Tweak: Performance - Faster recipe matching with reduced memory usage. Should fix lag spikes on the server and client when crafting or using the handbook Tweak: Performance: Less CPU cost for unpacking chunks, creating packets etc - main benefits on large multiplayer servers Tweak: Rusty gears now have a pile model that holds up to 64 gears. The old-style piles of gears will still be found in ruins, but player-placed piles will be more orderly, and larger capacity Tweak: Add non-climbable versions of clutter ladders, for use in cases like bunk beds where you don't want them interfering with the player's normal movement Tweak: Chain mail items have a revised smaller model, and are now placeable on the ground in the quad layout Tweak: Handbook search now shows results more closely matched to what was typed Tweak: Rendered fat recipe no longer dirties the pot Tweak: Pigs and sheep will no longer stand around idly such that they can easily be fenced in. They will now run away from the player, or attack the player if they get too close Tweak: Removed unused 'eidolon gearbox' item from the game Tweak: Firestarter can now be burned in a firepit Tweak: Allow candles to be removed from an existing bunch of candles without breaking it Tweak: Male goats in general will not use the very smallest horn models, better differentiating them from females Tweak: Copper shingle blocks now have a grid recipe. The shingle blocks blocktype json was moved from 'metal' folder to 'roofing' folder Tweak: Grid recipes which produce roofing half-blocks now produce two halves, rather than one Tweak: Can now also chisel block combine in the chisel tool mode, not only in the crafting grid Tweak: Blocks with the pillar behavior now display their orientation in the chisel tool mode material selector Tweak: Added a (preliminary) handbook entry for berry bushes, explaining their propagation and care Tweak: Add a bit of extra brightness near a held/dynamic light source Tweak: Added a Creative mode pocket sun. Caution: Very hot! Tweak: When using the Creative-mode Entity-mover tool, you can now use mousewheel to change entity distance Tweak: Update community translations Tweak: Added server config setting UpnpInfiniteLifetime (enable with /sc upnpinfinitelifetime on). Use this for infinite UPnP port mapping lifetime; otherwise the default 10-minute lifetime auto-renews mappings. Behavior may vary depending on the router. Fixed: Another possible cause of ghost Players Fixed: Beams not placing correctly in free mouse mode or when client->server not in sync. Fixed: Some fruit trees would spawn as empty stumps during worldgen Fixed: Crash in the music system when flying fast Fixed: Wild fruit trees not fruiting in the first year Fixed: Honey would give the wrong satiety in a meal Fixed: Quenching/Tempering buffs not applying when they should and the item now shows its item state in the item info hud. Fixed: Tempering applied a buff instead of only reducing the break chance Fixed: Applying many buffs added many lines of text to the item info hud Fixed: The player would get full nutrition from drinking spoiling liquid Fixed: Properly stop animations when ground processing items Fixed: Animation would never end when breaking ore chunks in ground storage Fixed: Drifters had a missing face on their neck that would show on their back side, when dead. Fixed: Bronze rods had combined word localizations (i.e. Tinbronze, Bismuthbronze) which was not per standard Fixed: Grindstone grid recipe conflicted with polished stone recipe Fixed: Ruined metal doors had the latch on the wrong side, and their hitbox was thinner than the door. Fixed: Collapsed clutter scroll racks were not texture-swappable. Fixed: Ruined sabre had blade ground-stored transform, and so looked like it was half buried in the ground. Fixed: Bugnet durability wasn't consumed Fixed: Brass torchholder description didn't have useful info from aged torchholder description Fixed: /debug helddurability command not marking slot dirty Fixed: Armor breaks on zero durability Fixed: Female tamed elk hitboxes displayed raw lang keys instead of translated text Fixed: Empty chests playing incorrect sound when closed Fixed: Chiseling or rotating blocks located at a chunk edge, now correctly updates lighting on neighbors across the chunk edge Fixed: Harvested brown sedge tossed on the ground was nowhere near its actual hitbox Fixed: Some pigs had bad 'center' points in their model, resulting in mis-placed hitboxes Fixed: Flax fibers' held transform was WAY too small Fixed: Black coal was a pigment for sign writing, but could not do cave drawings Fixed: Certain chiseled blocks placed wrong shading onto ground beneath - seen with new trader huts Fixed: Tule root didn't say in description that it can be planted again Fixed: Luxury trader was selling two shields that were missing the wood attribute. Fixed: Placing a crock into ground storage would crash the game on some operating systems Fixed: Sheep no longer spawn in thick forests or shrubland Fixed: Rope couldn't be placed on ground without already existing ground storage Fixed: Some story locations (lazaret) caused additonal protected areas above ground after using /wgen regen at their position Fixed: Couldn't pick up empty armor stand Fixed: Devastation tower pitch black at night and other worldgenned light sources not emitting light Fixed: Bamboo stakes and shovel gui icons when moused over were not centered. Fixed: Long bowstave is invisible in ground storage when dry Fixed: "Toggle sprint" checkbox hover text was wrong in the game settings Fixed: Aged sailboat did not have a creative item to place it (and so did not show up in handbook) Fixed: Flax fibers were not centered in the gui Fixed: Hot items invisible in ground storage Fixed: Metal arrow fletching was solid black Fixed: Rare crash when chiseled block name is null Fixed: Drygrass item was not centered in it's selection box when laying on the ground Fixed: Mouflon and bighorn sheep horns had bad wall mount transforms. Mouflon horns were also missing localizations. Fixed: Water updates not consistently triggered if solid blocks (water-logged blocks) were in the same position Fixed: Clouds disappearing after sleeping in some cases Fixed: Dirty cooking pot had bad incorrect idle pose Fixed: Anomalously light texture section on adult male elk's neck fur Fixed: Scraping multiple soaked hides causes game crash #8479 Fixed: Old traders were upgraded to the new traders, but naked and no face Fixed: When public server advertising is enabled that could send multiple duplicated requests to the masterserver. Issue since 1.22.0-pre.1 Fixed: Some Nadiyan clothing was not using the correct textures. Fixed: Merchant hat and fur coat had some texture issues. Fixed: Various small issues with bear textures and model Fixed: Olives' on-ground transform was bad API Feature: Targetable AI tasks can specify a minimum and maximum injury amount of the target API Feature: Added MouseWheelMove input event API Feature: ItemSlotCharacter now uses virtual CheckDressType instead of static IsDressType API Tweak: BlockMultiblock now uses .GetInterface() instead of .GetBehavior() to find interfaces API Feature: Added texture bleeding system for seamless block transitions Feature: New block properties for controlling texture bleed behavior: BleedPriority (auto from material or manual override) CanReceiveBleed, BleedOverlayTexture BleedTopFaceOnly, BleedGroup, BlocksTextureBleed API Refactor: Collectible.OnCreatedByCrafting() and CollectibleBehavior.OnCreatedByCrafting() "gridrecipe" argument is now of type "IRecipeBase" instead of "GridRecipe" API Refactor: Worldgen: Moved ChunkColumnGen event registration from StartServerSide to InitWorldGen() API Refactor: New tag condition matching system. Complex tag conditions hold either a set of disjunctive entries ([a and b and c] or [d and e]) or as a set of conjunctive entries ([a or b or c] and [d or e]). In both cases each of the inner sets can also have a set of forbidden tags that is always disjunctive. The syntax for using these in json follows one simple rule: If no junction verb is specified, the group is treated as conjunctive (a and b and c) examples: [["all", "of", "these"]] [["all", "of", "these"], (or) { allOf: ["all", "of", "these"], noneOf: ["any", "of", "these"] }] { allOf: ["all", "of", "these"], noneOf: ["any", "of", "these"] } { anyOf: ["any", "of", "these"], noneOf: ["any", "of", "these"] } { anyOf: [["all", "of", "these"], { allOf: ["all", "of", "these"], noneOf: ["any", "of", "these"] }] } { allOf: [["anyOf", "of", "these"], (and) { anyOf: ["any", "of", "these"], noneOf: ["any", "of", "these"] }] }11:20 AM these can be used in recipe ingredients and entiy behaviors for now* Replacement Tag System API Tweak: Use GetInterfaces for all instances of IIgnitable API Tweak: Add stencil buffer API to rendering interface API Tweak: Collectible.DamageItem() - Added optional arg "destroyOnZeroDurability" API Tweak: Frameprofiler (.debug logticks xx) now records mousedown/mouseup event cost as well API Fixed: Collectible.OnHeldDropped was not called server side API Fixed: Rideable behavior no longer ignores minGeneration setting API Fixed: Crash when entity tries to play sound it did not have API Fixed : When using a villages.json to specify modded villages a non wildcard schematics path would not resolve properly API Fixed: Unable to export texture atlasses when intallation folder did not have user permissions, they now go to the data folder instead API Tweak: New overload CraftingRecipeIngredient.Resolve(IWorldAccessor world, string sourceForErrorLogging, IRecipeBase recipe) should be used to Resolve input ingredients, to ensure they are registered to the new fast recipe matching API Tweak: IWorldAccessor has new read-only property IWorldAccessor.FastSearchRecipesByIngredient; this will be populated by the new CraftingRecipeIngredient.Resolve() method mentioned above API Tweak: Transform editor dialog now has firepit transform support API Tweak: Spawner blocks can now define rain and temperature conditions API Tweak: Added OnContainedInteractCancel for use in ground storage interactions API Tweak: The Block animation system now also hooked up to the animation sounds system. Example implementation: Bellows API Fixed: 'scale' property in shape overlays did not work API Fixed: Offsets from mounted entities now make sense, existing ones will need adjusting The mounted animation should position the player relative to the hitbox The attachment point on the mounted creature should go on the part of the entity the player's movement follows The seat offset adjusts the location of the player's hitbox relative to the attachment point* Internal: Change pelt grid recipes that accept multiple sizes, to new 'anyof' format, for Rennorb to check, as they don't seem to work. Changes since 1.22.0-pre.5, also included above Tweak: New main menu backgrounds Tweak: Added a creative mode pocket sun. Caution: Very hot Tweak: Cleavers now have a non-functional 'head' item like most other tools, and must be combined with a stick to make the complete tool. Also revised the cleaver model to have 1:1 pixel scale (previously was 50% scale). Tweak: Lightning flash tuning. Lights up the world from a greater distance and a bit more realisticly Tweak: Increase dynamic lights detection range from 60 to 120 blocks Tweak: Other players are always visible on the map up to 1000 blocks away or if in a shared group by default Tweak: Player map markers will show the supporter color, like player names in chat Tweak: Held/Dynamic light range now better correspond to placed light range (experimental) Tweak: Add a bit of extra brightness near a held/dynamic light source Fixed: Another possible cause of ghost Players Fixed: Beams not placing correctly in free mouse mode or when client->server not in sync. Fixed: Some fruit trees would spawn as empty stumps during worldgen Fixed: Crash in the music system when flying fast Fixed: Wild fruit trees not fruiting in the first year 1.22 related changes Tweak: Can now use sprint+mousewheel with the entity mover to rotate the entity Tweak: Reduce rapids spawn quantity Tweak: Ruined doors and trapdoors (both metal and wood) will no longer drop anything when broken. Tweak: Strawberry plants now spawn in patches twice as large as other berry bushes, use half the fertilizer, and have half the yield Tweak: Fruiting bush yields increased 25% to account for the fact that struggling wild bushes only yield 50% of normal harvest. Reduced berry bush maturation length by 25% Tweak: Added Spur gear up and down orientations which were missing from -pre.5 Tweak: Spear thrown damage and draw speed nerfs backed off by about half Tweak: Performance (minor) save 100k RAM and fewer cache misses for SnowAccum randomShuffles, they can be ushort not int Tweak: Re-worded berry bush 'cluster' traits to 'sparse/dense' rather than 'weak/strong' Removed: Fruits which do not currently have a bush associated with them (to be added back as the bushes are completed). Fixed: spur gear bugs in -pre.5 (detail: they could cause neighbouring axles to turn even if no neighbouring gear) Fixed: Devastation area no longer generating shrikes Fixed: When fishing in the ocean it was possible to catch freshwater fish and vice versa Fixed: Treasure hunters no longer selling treasuremaps Fixed: Waterwheel now provides mechanical power on both sides of its axle Fixed: Folded clothes stored in shelves and cabinets all had the same texture. Fixed: Time switching no longer working after usign /wgen regen in the devastation area. Issue since 1.22.0-pre.1 Fixed: Several visual issues with berry bushes Fixed: Milking animal fails to produce milk due to desync Fixed: Rapids water splitting if the random horizontal path changed in shuffling Fixed: Mature berry bushes would float in the air if the soil block under them was broken. Fixed: occasional snowy blocks melting slower than surroundings in spring/summer, due to vines above Fixed: Bears would not seek out and eat food Fixed: Large lanterns had two of the grid elements using the wrong face, resulting in appearing to dark. Fixed: Spear and pick heads had bad shelving transforms Fixed: Leather decor had bad transforms, and z-fighting Fixed: Wallpaper was hidden from the handbook Fixed: Currants used inconsistent localization formats. Now consolidated to one word (i.e. redcurrant) View full record 14 2
MKMoose Posted Saturday at 04:43 PM Report Posted Saturday at 04:43 PM (edited) Very cool, a lot of these changes are genuinely great. However, there's a lot of issues I have with berry bushes: berry bushes' nutrient consumption mechanics, fertilization requirement, minimum fertility requirement and soil degradation is completely inconsistent with everything else in the game and unfitting for the simplest, most basic food source that a new player is likely to encounter and rely on; I know there are supposedly planned changes for crops and fruit trees, but even if other features are brought in line with the precedent set by berry bushes, I still take issue with them being this complex this early into the game, berry bushes' nutrient consumption beyond initial fertilization after planting is so irrelevant that I genuinely kind of don't know why it's even a thing - it would be much more intuitive to implement it as an up-front cost to establishing a cutting (potentially only softly), or as an optional way to increase yields, which would also avoid the inconsistency with wild bushes, berry bushes' fertilization requirement, minimum fertility requirement and soil degradation are simply unrealistic, and personally I see no reasonable design justification to introducing them in spite of being unrealistic - if increasing complexity is the goal, then it would be better to do it in a way that actually makes sense realistically, through soil preparation before transplantation, maintaining a suitable water balance after planting, and pruning as the single most important way to boost yields; fertilizer can remain simply as an option to increase growth rate of young bushes (keeping in mind that it should only be used after growth starts naturally) and maybe afterwards to increase yields, little has changed about the overall balance of berry bushes - they're still available almost all the way through the year, spawn in pathetic tiny patches which are unrealistically scattered and more annoying than labor-intensive to collect (which is the main reason why aggregating them from a large area has been such a common strategy - they're just really inconvenient otherwise), and they remain easy to replant in large quantities even if it requires to wait a couple months longer and fertilize a bit for full yields, berry bushes are currently strictly more optimally sustained on a single nutrient for the healthy state or two nutrients for the bountiful state, and using all three nutrients (especaially early on as nutrient consumption is high) is simply wasteful, berry bush cuttings with different traits don't stack, so it feels genuinely really annoying to collect them; it doesn't help that the traits don't currently show up in the tooltips and that even the positive effects of traits are very minimal, soil degradation allows to effectively halve the cost of terra preta. And there are similarly major issues with heat treatment: quenching and tempering is tedious, repetitive and lacks any sort of skill expression, which is especially annoying considering that realistically, quenching should only be done once per workpiece, except as a way of retrying after a failed or unsatisfactory attempt, quenching is unbalanced and produces a borderline absurd jump over bronze, tempering is practically a waste of time with the current numbers, and even if it gets adjusted then without major changes choosing whether to temper or not will always be either an obvious choice or purely a matter of hyperoptimization, quenching for durability (covered in clay) doesn't make sense with the current mechanics, because if the shatter chance is greater than the relative durability increase, then it's fundamentally an expected loss. I made a long post on heat treatments as well, so I'll spare the detailed explanations. Love the update overall, but these two features have felt frustratingly half-baked and misdirected. Also, spears can still be thrown at a rate of over two per second, I think. Edited Sunday at 05:26 PM by MKMoose Removed the point about pruning. Minor adjustments, clarifications and rearranging. 14
Shoom Posted Saturday at 04:56 PM Report Posted Saturday at 04:56 PM (edited) Make a back-up before loading into an older world! Just a little extra heads up for people out there. As I loaded in, everything in render-distance sort of.. exploded, for lack of a better term. (I made a back-up so it's all fine) Edited Saturday at 05:26 PM by Shoom 2
GLaDOS_cz Posted Saturday at 05:23 PM Report Posted Saturday at 05:23 PM 24 minutes ago, Shoom said: Make a back-up before to loading into an older world! Just a little extra heads up for people out there. As I loaded in, everything in render-distance sort of.. exploded, for lack of a better term. (I made a back-up so it's all fine) I hope it will be save to update with existing world on full release since I dont see any news related to world generation except one new rock type.
Facethief Posted Saturday at 05:23 PM Report Posted Saturday at 05:23 PM 26 minutes ago, Shoom said: Make a back-up before to loading into an older world! Just a little extra heads up for people out there. As I loaded in, everything in render-distance sort of.. exploded, for lack of a better term. (I made a back-up so it's all fine) I heard you liked squares… 3 1
Hafthohlladung Posted Saturday at 05:28 PM Report Posted Saturday at 05:28 PM (edited) 50 minutes ago, MKMoose said: berry bushes' nutrient consumption, minimum fertility requirement and soil degradation is completely inconsistent with everything else in the game and unfitting for the simplest, most basic food source that a new player is likely to encounter and rely on (I know there are supposedly planned changes for crops and fruit trees, but even if other features are broight in line with the precedent set by berry bushes, I still take issue with them being this complex this early into the game, and in certain regards unrealistic), Why did I know you were going to be the first to post in this thread! Regarding the Berry bushes they're only complex if you start to 'Farm' them, otherwise the Wild bushes will still be in place providing a regular basic food source for a new player. It'll just mean every few days you'll have to do some running around. 50 minutes ago, MKMoose said: berry bushes' nutrient consumption beyond initial fertilization after planting is so irrelevant that I genuinely kind of don't know why it's even a thing - it would be much more intuitive to implement it as an up-front cost to establishing a cutting (potentially only softly by increasing its growth rate and increasing survival chance), or as an optional way to increase yields, which would also avoid the inconsistency with wild bushes, I think the main benefit of the new system is that it prevents 'fire & forget' planting of cuttings. Which is basically what we've had until now, by being allowed to relocate entire vineyards of fully formed bushes en masse that required zero maintenance. Up-front costs would do little to change that dynamic, except perhaps delay it a while. 50 minutes ago, MKMoose said: berry bushes can't be pruned, which would work well either cosmetically or as a way to temporarily increase yields, and is realistically more important than fertilization in many cases, That could change in the future, but are you suggesting more complexity? 50 minutes ago, MKMoose said: berry bush cuttings with different traits don't stack, and it feels genuinely really annoying to collect them, and it doesn't help that even the positive effects of traits are very minimal, I don't see a way around this given the current storage system. Maybe if in the future the game moves toward a system of Max weight storage rather than the current Slot based storage system it would enable a greater amount of 'light weight' items like cuttings to be carried. Edited Saturday at 05:33 PM by Hafthohlladung 6 3
LadyWYT Posted Saturday at 05:45 PM Report Posted Saturday at 05:45 PM 14 minutes ago, Hafthohlladung said: I don't see a way around this given the current storage system. Maybe if in the future the game moves toward a system of Max weight storage rather than the current Slot based storage system it would enable a greater amount of 'light weight' items like cuttings to be carried. Someone mentioned a system like Minecraft's bundle, in that the player could stack like items with like items up to the maximum stack size for that type of item. For example, stones stack up to 64, so instead of carrying around 4 different types of stones that each take up an inventory slot, the player could combine those stones into one slot, to a limit of 64 stones for that "bundle". 1
Mortality Posted Saturday at 06:23 PM Report Posted Saturday at 06:23 PM (edited) Hay recipe is broken makes a grass shirt instead. (RC1) Edited Saturday at 06:26 PM by Mortality 3
oSainte Posted Saturday at 06:45 PM Report Posted Saturday at 06:45 PM 20 minutes ago, Mortality said: Hay recipe is broken makes a grass shirt instead. (RC1) Confirmed broken, was trying to craft Hay Bales for a bed, assumed the recipe changed but it is just broken
Rhyagelle Posted Saturday at 06:46 PM Report Posted Saturday at 06:46 PM I am going to be completely honest... I do not like the changes made to berry bushes. This will not only just become a massive headache to deal with, it will discourage already discouraged new players looking for a good early food source as they figure out the rest of the game and prepare themselves with tools to go hunting and maintain that food (cellars). A lot of the recent decisions I wish were given as a changeable option in world creation or via server commands. At the very least, the fertilization process should be tinkered with quite heavily going forward. Everything else though, is quite incredible! I noticed that some of the traders seem to be sporting...ahem....bosoms. Is this a trader option only, or might I finally be able to play as a woman? Or was this an option the entire time and I was just utterly blind to it? lol 5
Facethief Posted Saturday at 07:09 PM Report Posted Saturday at 07:09 PM @Tyron, has there been any progress on fixing the handbook and rift issues from the pre versions? These issues are the main thing stopping me from really getting into a new world, especially the handbook crashes. 1
Shoom Posted Saturday at 07:20 PM Report Posted Saturday at 07:20 PM 52 minutes ago, GLaDOS_cz said: I hope it will be save to update with existing world on full release since I dont see any news related to world generation except one new rock type. My guess is the new river system, terrain might not be much different from 1.21 to 1.22 visually, but the world generation math under the hood is likely quite different to accompany it. I've tried a few things, like setting /wgen autogen to 0 and then updating but it results in the same checkered terrain, I'm sure there's some workaround but it's likely best to wait for further patches or until the stable release if you want to play in a old world. I should add that my terrain was generated back in 1.19, world generation has changed a lot since then, if your world is from 1.20 or 1.21 it might migrate better, make a back-up first though. 1
CastIronFabric Posted Saturday at 07:27 PM Report Posted Saturday at 07:27 PM 4 minutes ago, Shoom said: My guess is the new river system, terrain might not be much different from 1.21 to 1.22 visually, but the world generation math under the hood is likely quite different to accompany it. I've tried a few things, like setting /wgen autogen to 0 and then updating but it results in the same checkered terrain, I'm sure there's some workaround but it's likely best to wait for further patches or until the stable release if you want to play in a old world. I should add that my terrain was generated back in 1.19, world generation has changed a lot since then, if your world is from 1.20 or 1.21 it might migrate better, make a back-up first though. From my understanding there is not a river system in 1.21. It would be nice to get a written update on the 'river feasibility study' that from my understanding was being done as well as 'procedural dungeons' . I understand those two things are not in this current RC but it would be nice to know how it is going thus far.
Pumpkin_Wolf Posted Saturday at 08:01 PM Report Posted Saturday at 08:01 PM 3 hours ago, Shoom said: Make a back-up before loading into an older world! Just a little extra heads up for people out there. As I loaded in, everything in render-distance sort of.. exploded, for lack of a better term. (I made a back-up so it's all fine) Unfortunately i've just lost tons of progress to this... Any idea how to recover a save file? really dislike the fact that we dont get automatic backups between loading between different versions...
Teh Pizza Lady Posted Saturday at 08:33 PM Report Posted Saturday at 08:33 PM (edited) 1 hour ago, oSainte said: Confirmed broken, was trying to craft Hay Bales for a bed, assumed the recipe changed but it is just broken 2 hours ago, Mortality said: Hay recipe is broken makes a grass shirt instead. (RC1) Try crafting in the lower left corner for hay bales. I was able to craft them on pre.5 just fine. [EDIT]: Also welcome to the forums @oSainte!!! Hope you enjoy your stay! Edited Saturday at 08:34 PM by Teh Pizza Lady
Teh Pizza Lady Posted Saturday at 08:36 PM Report Posted Saturday at 08:36 PM 1 hour ago, Shoom said: My guess is the new river system, terrain might not be much different from 1.21 to 1.22 visually, but the world generation math under the hood is likely quite different to accompany it. I've tried a few things, like setting /wgen autogen to 0 and then updating but it results in the same checkered terrain, I'm sure there's some workaround but it's likely best to wait for further patches or until the stable release if you want to play in a old world. I should add that my terrain was generated back in 1.19, world generation has changed a lot since then, if your world is from 1.20 or 1.21 it might migrate better, make a back-up first though. IIRC, The Official Public Server is going to do a full server wipe when preparing for 1.22, mainly so that added world-gen features (rapids) would be available. If you don't play on TOPS, that's fine, but I got the distinct feeling that many people are going to have to forego some old worlds they were on. Such is the life of someone playing on a game still in early access.
LadyWYT Posted Saturday at 08:48 PM Report Posted Saturday at 08:48 PM 15 minutes ago, Teh Pizza Lady said: Try crafting in the lower left corner for hay bales. I was able to craft them on pre.5 just fine. It's a bug: https://github.com/anegostudios/VintageStory-Issues/issues/8535 3
Ceridith Posted Saturday at 08:49 PM Report Posted Saturday at 08:49 PM 12 minutes ago, Teh Pizza Lady said: Try crafting in the lower left corner for hay bales. I was able to craft them on pre.5 just fine. Doesn't work, unfortunately. I dug through the crafting recipes and the grass shirt has the exact same recipe as haybales, so it looks like it's superseding it. I changed the grass shirt recipe in upperbody.json to be a 3x3 grid recipe of G_G,GGG,GGG with 1 dry grass per grid, and haybales were craftable again. 3 1
GLaDOS_cz Posted Saturday at 08:51 PM Report Posted Saturday at 08:51 PM 1 hour ago, Shoom said: My guess is the new river system, terrain might not be much different from 1.21 to 1.22 visually, but the world generation math under the hood is likely quite different to accompany it. I've tried a few things, like setting /wgen autogen to 0 and then updating but it results in the same checkered terrain, I'm sure there's some workaround but it's likely best to wait for further patches or until the stable release if you want to play in a old world. I should add that my terrain was generated back in 1.19, world generation has changed a lot since then, if your world is from 1.20 or 1.21 it might migrate better, make a back-up first though. While I understand that this cant get over the development of the game going forward, I dont really like the idea of creating new worlds for each big update especially when as Im creative person (and some friends on server too). I dont see any mentions of Rivers, only that the flowing water has stream mechanic now, the only thing that I can see as map breaking is the new rock type. It would be great if developers introduced some repair tool for the broken chunks so the admin can switch into creative and fix them manually with a some level of effort and time. 38 minutes ago, Pumpkin_Wolf said: Unfortunately i've just lost tons of progress to this... Any idea how to recover a save file? really dislike the fact that we dont get automatic backups between loading between different versions... ALWAYS do backups!
Maelstrom Posted Saturday at 09:11 PM Report Posted Saturday at 09:11 PM 5 hours ago, Tyron said: Tweak: Firestarter can now be burned in a firepit FINALLY! Slowly the magic leaves the VS world. 1
EnbyKaiju Posted Saturday at 09:35 PM Report Posted Saturday at 09:35 PM How's the RC release looking so far overall? @LadyWYT you're probably the one to ask. Think it's in a viable enough space to start out that new long-term world yet, or should I hold off a week or two till they patch up the worst of the remaining bugs? Normally I feel fine starting up at an RC build, since the features are in there it's just balance/bugfix time, but as they said this is one of their biggest mechanical updates so curious if that's still the right call or if holding off is the play here and just keep tinkering in creative?
Guimoute Posted Saturday at 09:36 PM Report Posted Saturday at 09:36 PM 5 hours ago, Tyron said: Tweak: Increase dynamic lights detection range from 60 to 120 blocks That's a good change for when we have to throw a torch down a deep pit. Previously they disappeared, so to say.
LadyWYT Posted Saturday at 09:45 PM Report Posted Saturday at 09:45 PM 2 minutes ago, EnbyKaiju said: How's the RC release looking so far overall? @LadyWYT you're probably the one to ask. It depends on who you ask. Overall it's still buggy, but that's to be expected from unstable releases. So far I quite like the changes, and it feels stable enough to boot a new world and play around without much crashing, needing to cheat items due to recipe conflicts, or other strange behavior in general. I wouldn't recommend playing a cherished world on the current RC though--wait until stable for that, or at least make a backup of the world first in case something breaks(which given what other users are posting it does seem that things break at the moment). 6 minutes ago, EnbyKaiju said: Think it's in a viable enough space to start out that new long-term world yet, or should I hold off a week or two till they patch up the worst of the remaining bugs? Kind of? I haven't noticed any huge issues regarding world gen, however, the safest option will be waiting until a stable release before starting a new long-term world. While worlds made in RCs might upgrade to stable just fine, it's also possible there might be tweaks and adjustments that you might want to take advantage of from the very start of a new save file. In other words, your mileage will vary. My current strategy is just playing around with a fresh world now for the RC, before starting a fresh long-term world once the stable version is released. 1
EnbyKaiju Posted Saturday at 09:49 PM Report Posted Saturday at 09:49 PM Just now, LadyWYT said: In other words, your mileage will vary. My current strategy is just playing around with a fresh world now for the RC, before starting a fresh long-term world once the stable version is released. Thanks, as always I appreciate your considered feedback. It's mostly worldgen I'm worried about, as all the other little stuff gets fixed over time, so I'll keep playing around and hold off on the grant plans for stable. Honestly I haven't seen a single thing in the notes I have a problem with. Big fan of the berry changes, fishing, spear changes...etc. I think those changes will all be very two-sided in the player base but if folks have problems with any of it I'm sure there will be a mod out within a week that reverts it to the old ways Anyway, good luck, friends, and thanks VS devs! You're amazing! 1
Shoom Posted Saturday at 09:52 PM Report Posted Saturday at 09:52 PM 50 minutes ago, Pumpkin_Wolf said: Unfortunately i've just lost tons of progress to this... Any idea how to recover a save file? really dislike the fact that we dont get automatic backups between loading between different versions... Without a backup save, sadly there's not much that can be done, once you load into the world the data is already overwritten and there's nothing to revert back to. 33 minutes ago, Teh Pizza Lady said: IIRC, The Official Public Server is going to do a full server wipe when preparing for 1.22, mainly so that added world-gen features (rapids) would be available. If you don't play on TOPS, that's fine, but I got the distinct feeling that many people are going to have to forego some old worlds they were on. Such is the life of someone playing on a game still in early access. True, by no means do I wish to stifle progress of the game for the sake of.. backwards combability.. or uh forwards combability? Not sure what the term is, but you get what I mean. I don't expect my world to be compatible with updates forever. I do really appreciate the effort from the devs though. 53 minutes ago, GLaDOS_cz said: I dont see any mentions of Rivers, only that the flowing water has stream mechanic now, the only thing that I can see as map breaking is the new rock type. Yeah, the riverlets/streams is what I meant, I could be wrong though and the changes to the world-gen aren't that extensive and it's just some small oversight in the migration code or something like that and it all gets resolved soon. 1
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