Maelstrom Posted Thursday at 03:15 PM Report Posted Thursday at 03:15 PM 20 minutes ago, LadyWYT said: Hide contents Tobias is definitely questionable in some of his intentions, but I don't think he's responsible for the creation of drifters and other monsters. I think those monsters got turned when Jonas set off the Grand Machine/Salvation Engine: some survivors remained human, some were turned into seraphs and displaced from time, and some were turned into horrible little creatures beyond comprehension. The machine at the Tower was just punching a hole in reality to allow the seraphs to leak back through into normal existence. Which...I'm not really sure is much better than what Jonas did, since Tobias seems to have been fully aware of the consequences whereas Jonas perhaps didn't fully know what his project would do. Spoiler Most likely. I was thinking about how the area around the tower is so corrupted by the rust world that Tobias' activities may have been the genesis of the drifters. If the salvation machine just "removed" the rot then there wouldn't be a need for Tobias to engage in his tower project, unless he had to pivot to overcome an outcome that did not materialize. I'll have to do another deep dive into the lore again.
ifoz Posted Friday at 11:59 AM Report Posted Friday at 11:59 AM (edited) 20 hours ago, Maelstrom said: Spoiler Most likely. I was thinking about how the area around the tower is so corrupted by the rust world that Tobias' activities may have been the genesis of the drifters. If the salvation machine just "removed" the rot then there wouldn't be a need for Tobias to engage in his tower project, unless he had to pivot to overcome an outcome that did not materialize. I'll have to do another deep dive into the lore again. Spoiler Since Tobias mentions the monsters being even worse back when the new world first began, I don't think they were his fault. The devastation probably didn't help much, but that would have been built likely centuries after he had founded Nadiya. There's also the tale of The Morning, which seems to be a folklore-ified story about a woman named Bearfirth who fought monsters and banded humanity together in the early days after the Grand Machine's activation. To me, it seems like Jonas' Grand Machine's activation is what also caused the rifts and monsters to appear, as well as purging the Rot, blasting those nearby outside of time, and scrambling the world geographically. Edited Friday at 12:01 PM by ifoz 2
Maelstrom Posted Friday at 12:02 PM Report Posted Friday at 12:02 PM 1 minute ago, ifoz said: Hide contents Since Tobias mentions the monsters being even worse back when the new world first began, I don't think they were his fault. The devastation probably didn't help much, but that would have been built likely centuries after he had founded Nadiya. That's why I need to do another deep dive into the lore. I figured my 256k memory stick had lost some lore since I did the 2nd chapter about a year ago. 2
Zane Mordien Posted Friday at 05:51 PM Report Posted Friday at 05:51 PM 5 hours ago, ifoz said: Hide contents Since Tobias mentions the monsters being even worse back when the new world first began, I don't think they were his fault. The devastation probably didn't help much, but that would have been built likely centuries after he had founded Nadiya. There's also the tale of The Morning, which seems to be a folklore-ified story about a woman named Bearfirth who fought monsters and banded humanity together in the early days after the Grand Machine's activation. To me, it seems like Jonas' Grand Machine's activation is what also caused the rifts and monsters to appear, as well as purging the Rot, blasting those nearby outside of time, and scrambling the world geographically. Spoiler I feel like Jonas will be the root of all evil in the end. I bet he created all the problems with the rot and then "fixed" it making himself some quasi immortal. Tobias just doens't know any better and keeps going thinking Jonas was a saint.
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